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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
Well than what’s the fucking point of the assload of federal money that's going FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security if it’s their job to go in second or third? So you’re telling me that if 9/11 happened all over again, FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security would do NOTHING until New York state and local officials appealed for federal help by submitting Form 5 Subform 13 and making sure to sign on the dotted line at paragraph 3 line 55? And once that were done, the federal government might finally respond a week after the twin towers fell? This is the kind of bloated government you want with your tax dollars? We now reward and defend agencies that are mandated to bureaucracy instead of agencies that take initiative??? This is analogous to the democrats suddenly supporting privatized social security if Hillary Clinton said it would be good for her “village”.

But yes, embrace the bureaucracy, the inefficiencies, and the ineptitude because that's exactly the kind of government we want and expect with our tax dollars. After all we can’t have good government that’s actually, you know, accountable. Why that’s just shocking to think that.


I might add the utter irony of the Conservative Norquist lovers who believe the federal government should be squeezed down the toilet, yet NOW seem to rally behind the actions of this inept Federal government ONLY when the President himself and his inane FEMA response is under scrutiny.

Fiscal conservatives are few and far between nowadays. Who woulda thunkit to see modern-day conservatives rally around the actions of the federal government?







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Fir3start3r
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Nobody's defending Brown; that hack obviously couldn't handle his posting.

The reasoning behind pointing out Nagin and Blanco is because no one else is doing it.
Everyone else is looking so far above the situation they are failing to even mention the PRIMARY first-time responders without a numbnifying, 2-fingered keyboard response of, "It-must-be-Bush-because-it's-always-his-fault-liberal-whelp".
Does it just take less energy to type that out "Blame Bush" when a little (and I do stress 'little') research clearly shows that blame goes in order of:


    1) City
    2) State
    3) Federal

Why is everyone completely forgetting 1 and 2??
(and you can't blame me for 'defending' FEMA because you'll notice they made the list... )

I could site many, many examples of blogs, aritcles, opinions and dispite the source, the majority are all saying the same thing.
FEMA is the last to blame in all of this.
They were left holding the bag when everything went to shit and they couldn't hack it in the heat of the moment either.

A new poll suggests that people understand this:

quote:

Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2005 12:52 p.m. EDT

New Poll: Americans Not Blaming Bush for Katrina Problems

Only 13 percent of those polled believe President Bush is "most responsible” for the problems in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, a new poll discloses.

And 35 percent said Bush has done a "great” or "good” job responding to the hurricane and flooding, according to the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

Other findings of the poll conducted Tuesday:

# 18 percent said federal agencies are "most responsible” for the problems, 25 percent said state and local officials are to blame, and 38 percent think no one is to blame; 6 percent have no opinion.
# 29 percent said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired”; 63 percent think they shouldn’t lose their jobs.
# 8 percent of those surveyed believe that federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies have done a "great” job responding to the hurricane, while 42 percent said the agencies had done a "bad” or "terrible” job.
# Similarly, 7 percent said state and local officials in Louisiana have done a "great” job, and 35 percent said their performance has been "bad” or "terrible.”
# More than 9 out of 10 adults polled said the hurricane is the worst natural disaster to strike the U.S. in their lifetime.
# 56 percent said New Orleans will not recover from the effects of the storm, and 34 percent believe it should not be rebuilt as a major city.
# 79 percent believe gas companies are taking advantage of the tragedy and charging unfair prices.

>>Source<<


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MisterOpus1
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Nobody's defending Brown; that hack obviously couldn't handle his posting.

The reasoning behind pointing out Nagin and Blanco is because no one else is doing it.
Everyone else is looking so far above the situation they are failing to even mention the PRIMARY first-time responders without a numbnifying, 2-fingered keyboard response of, "It-must-be-Bush-because-it's-always-his-fault-liberal-whelp".
Does it just take less energy to type that out "Blame Bush" when a little (and I do stress 'little') research clearly shows that blame goes in order of:

    1) City
    2) State
    3) Federal

Why is everyone completely forgetting 1 and 2??
(and you can't blame me for 'defending' FEMA because you'll notice they made the list... )

I could site many, many examples of blogs, aritcles, opinions and dispite the source, the majority are all saying the same thing.
FEMA is the last to blame in all of this.
They were left holding the bag when everything went to shit and they couldn't hack it in the heat of the moment either.

A new poll suggests that people understand this:


>>Source<<


Well you know I've been advocating responsibility on all 3 of these aspects, and indeed as more comes to the surface there is evidence of some not-so-sound evacuation plans on the local level. Much will be known later in an investigation, PROVIDED that it is a fair investigation with an INDEPENDENT committee, rather than a bipartisan he-said/she-said Committee that the GOP wants done instead. The Dems. reject this and want an independent panel, much like the 9/11 Commission:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5090801226.html

I see absolutely no reason why we cannot allow an independent inquiry in this manner, do you?

And in regards to polls, well you know they're like assholes - everyone has them. So what I do try to do is line up these assholes together and see if there's a trend. Okay, maybe that analogy went off the deep end a bit, but you get the picture.

The trouble with Gallup is it does tend to be an outlier at times. I don't dismiss Gallup, but in comparison to the rest of the polls, you see just how far out of reach it is on this issue. For example, CBS News has 58% disapproval with how Bush is handling Katrina with an overall 42% approval rating:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005...ain824591.shtml

Zogby has 60% disapproval vs. only 36% with only a 41% overall approval rating:

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1020

And the newest Pew poll has a surprising trend in Bush's numbers falling in regards to Katrina not just with the public, but with his own GOP constituents. 2/3 of the public says Bush could have done more with a 40% approval rating:

http://people-press.org/reports/dis...p3?ReportID=255

And finally, we have the AP/Ipsis poll showing Bush breaking the 40% mark and has a 39% approval vs. 59% disapproval rating overall:

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client...1tb.pdf&id=2770

So where exactly do you see the public on this again?


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Fir3start3r
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Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Well you know I've been advocating responsibility on all 3 of these aspects, and indeed as more comes to the surface there is evidence of some not-so-sound evacuation plans on the local level. Much will be known later in an investigation, PROVIDED that it is a fair investigation with an INDEPENDENT committee, rather than a bipartisan he-said/she-said Committee that the GOP wants done instead. The Dems. reject this and want an independent panel, much like the 9/11 Commission:


I totally agree with you on this being an independent committee as long as it wasn't the dog&pony, circus show like the 9/11 Commission. While I agree there should be updates from the press to how the committee is doing; it shouldn't become a grandstanding event either for people to put out their agendas much like the debacled 9/11 one.

Yea, polls are flakey at the best of times.
While they do give you the, "flavour of the moment" they certainly don't give you the overall opinion in some aspects.
I'm sure there's a poll about polls out there...


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Location: New York

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Nobody's defending Brown; that hack obviously couldn't handle his posting.

The reasoning behind pointing out Nagin and Blanco is because no one else is doing it.
Everyone else is looking so far above the situation they are failing to even mention the PRIMARY first-time responders without a numbnifying, 2-fingered keyboard response of, "It-must-be-Bush-because-it's-always-his-fault-liberal-whelp".
Does it just take less energy to type that out "Blame Bush" when a little (and I do stress 'little') research clearly shows that blame goes in order of:

    1) City
    2) State
    3) Federal

Why is everyone completely forgetting 1 and 2??
(and you can't blame me for 'defending' FEMA because you'll notice they made the list... )

I could site many, many examples of blogs, aritcles, opinions and dispite the source, the majority are all saying the same thing.
FEMA is the last to blame in all of this.
They were left holding the bag when everything went to shit and they couldn't hack it in the heat of the moment either.

A new poll suggests that people understand this:


>>Source<<


As I stated before, the state and local government were responsible for allowing so many people to remain unevacuated from the city. They're most certainly to blame for that. What the federal government can be blamed for, is that it took them 5 days to mount any kind of response to the humanitarian crisis which is completely unacceptable considering they had advanced warning. What if it had been a terrorist bomb that blew up the levees? Is it acceptable for the department of homeland security and FEMA to respond 5 days after the fact?? Why is it that the ONLY urban search and rescue squad conducting operations in New Orleans on Thursday was Canadian?? Canadian for christ's sake! The Canadians can deploy specialized urban rescue teams faster than our own goddamned government?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...National/Canada

Everyone killed during the hurricane and flooding was due to negligence by state/local officials. The descension into violence and the looming humanitarian crisis was due to federal negligence.

As for blaming Bush, I'm usually not one to blame him personally for everything that his dumbass administration does, but he personally was the one who appointed that "hack", as you call him, as head of FEMA, along with all the other incompetant retards who shouldn't have been there:

quote:

Leaders Lacking Disaster Experience
'Brain Drain' At Agency Cited

By Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 9, 2005; Page A01

Five of eight top Federal Emergency Management Agency officials came to their posts with virtually no experience in handling disasters and now lead an agency whose ranks of seasoned crisis managers have thinned dramatically since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

FEMA's top three leaders -- Director Michael D. Brown, Chief of Staff Patrick J. Rhode and Deputy Chief of Staff Brooks D. Altshuler -- arrived with ties to President Bush's 2000 campaign or to the White House advance operation, according to the agency. Two other senior operational jobs are filled by a former Republican lieutenant governor of Nebraska and a U.S. Chamber of Commerce official who was once a political operative.


Meanwhile, veterans such as U.S. hurricane specialist Eric Tolbert and World Trade Center disaster managers Laurence W. Zensinger and Bruce P. Baughman -- who led FEMA's offices of response, recovery and preparedness, respectively -- have left since 2003, taking jobs as consultants or state emergency managers, according to current and former officials.

Because of the turnover, three of the five FEMA chiefs for natural-disaster-related operations and nine of 10 regional directors are working in an acting capacity, agency officials said.

Patronage appointments to the crisis-response agency are nothing new to Washington administrations. But inexperience in FEMA's top ranks is emerging as a key concern of local, state and federal leaders as investigators begin to sift through what the government has admitted was a bungled response to Hurricane Katrina.

"FEMA requires strong leadership and experience because state and local governments rely on them," said Trina Sheets, executive director of the National Emergency Management Association. "When you don't have trained, qualified people in those positions, the program suffers as a whole."

Last week's greatest foe was, of course, a storm of such magnitude that it "overwhelmed" all levels of government, according to Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine). And several top FEMA officials are well-regarded by state and private counterparts in disaster preparedness and response.

They include Edward G. Buikema, acting director of response since February, and Kenneth O. Burris, acting chief of operations, a career firefighter and former Marietta, Ga., fire chief.

But scorching criticism has been aimed at FEMA, and it starts at the top with Brown, who has admitted to errors in responding to Hurricane Katrina and the flooding in New Orleans. The Oklahoma native, 50, was hired to the agency after a rocky tenure as commissioner of a horse sporting group by former FEMA director Joe M. Allbaugh, the 2000 Bush campaign manager and a college friend of Brown's.

Rhode, Brown's chief of staff, is a former television reporter who came to Washington as advance deputy director for Bush's Austin-based 2000 campaign and then the White House. He joined FEMA in April 2003 after stints at the Commerce Department and the U.S. Small Business Administration.

Altshuler is a former presidential advance man. His predecessor, Scott Morris, was a media strategist for Bush with the Austin firm Maverick Media.

David I. Maurstad, who stepped down as Nebraska lieutenant governor in 2001 to join FEMA, has served as acting director for risk reduction and federal insurance administrator since June 2004. Daniel A. Craig, a onetime political fundraiser and campaign adviser, came to FEMA in 2001 from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he directed the eastern regional office, after working as a lobbyist for the National Rural Electric Cooperative Association.

Department of Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said Brown has managed more than 160 natural disasters as FEMA general counsel and deputy director since 2001, "hands-on experience [that] cannot be understated. Other leadership at FEMA brings particular skill sets -- policy management leadership, for example."

The agency has a deep bench of career professionals, said FEMA spokeswoman Nicol Andrews, including two dozen senior field coordinators and Gil Jamieson, director of the National Incident Management System. "Simply because folks who have left the agency have a disagreement with how it's being run doesn't necessarily indicate that there is a lack of experience leading it," she said.


Andrews said the "acting" designation for regional officials is a designation that signifies that they are FEMA civil servants -- not political appointees.

Touring the wrecked Gulf Coast with Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff yesterday, Vice President Cheney also defended FEMA leaders, saying, "We're always trying to strike the right balance" between political appointees and "career professionals that fill the jobs underneath them."

But experts inside and out of government said a "brain drain" of experienced disaster hands throughout the agency, hastened in part by the appointment of leaders without backgrounds in emergency management, has weakened the agency's ability to respond to natural disasters. Some security experts and congressional critics say the exodus was fueled by a bureaucratic reshuffling in Washington in 2003, when FEMA was stripped of its independent Cabinet-level status and folded into the Department of Homeland Security.

Emergency preparedness has atrophied as a result, some analysts said, extending from Washington to localities.

FEMA "has gone downhill within the department, drained of resources and leadership," said I.M. "Mac" Destler, a professor at the University of Maryland School of Public Policy. "The crippling of FEMA was one important reason why it failed."

Richard A. Andrews, former emergency services director for the state of California and a member of the president's Homeland Security Advisory Council, said state and local failures were critical in the Katrina response, but competence, funding and political will in Washington were also lacking.

"I do not think fundamentally this is an organizational issue," Andrews said. "You need people in there who have both experience and the confidence of the president, who are able to fight and articulate what FEMA's mission and role is, and who understand how emergency management works."

The agency's troubles are no secret. The Partnership for Public Service, a nonprofit group that promotes careers in federal government, ranked FEMA last of 28 agencies studied in 2003.

In its list of best places to work in the government, a 2004 survey by the American Federation of Government Employees found that of 84 career FEMA professionals who responded, only 10 people ranked agency leaders excellent or good.

An additional 28 said the leadership was fair and 33 called it poor.

More than 50 said they would move to another agency if they could remain at the same pay grade, and 67 ranked the agency as poorer since its merger into the Department of Homeland Security.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...90802165_2.html


Hmmm let's put hacks in charge of a federal emergency response agency ... what could possibly go wrong? Yup good government at work here.


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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo


Some things need to be mentioned that this Drudge Report photo states or directly implies. First, about Red Cross being barred. Perhaps it would be best if we heard straight from the horse's mouth (and no, I'm not talking about Brown):

quote:
MARTY EVANS, RED CROSS PRESIDENT AND CEO: Well, Larry, when the storm came our goal was prior to landfall to support the evacuation. It was unsafe to be in the city. We were asked by the city not to be there and the Superdome was made a shelter of last resorts and, quite frankly in retrospect, it was a good idea because otherwise those people would have had no shelter at all.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI.../02/lkl.01.html


IOW, they were trying to get everyone the fuck outa dodge. Could they have done things better? Undoubtedly, but considering that it was already thought they had supplies to last them a few days, it seemed unnecessary at the time and the Red Cross could get to those people after the hurricane had cleared.

Second, in regards to the buses - I covered this before with some ficticious hypothetical numbers, but the point is trying to evacuate tens of thousands of people outa the city would have been a complete logistical nightmare. There's no fucking way to coordinate this, let alone find the hundreds of drivers needed to round people up and coordinate them out. I'll turn this issue over to a poster on DailyKos who addresses this issue in full. In short, the city did have a plan for these people, a plan that was modified and worked on since their previous hurricanes:

quote:
The first piece of information the Right Wing Noise Machine is trying to argue is that the City of New Orleans didn't follow its hurricane plan as contained in the The City of New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan Annex I: Hurricanes. The second piece of information is that the City of New Orleans had no plan for sheltering its citizens who did not have their own transportation with which to flee with portions of this article from the Times-Picayune from July 24th.

Join me after the jump...

ArchPundit's diary :: ::
There are several striking bits of information in a series of articles from the Times-Picayune over the last year since Hurricane Ivan was a near miss. Here are a four more articles that capture the major issues the city faced. Click these links to see the full articles over the last year.

One clear conclusion is that the City was acutely aware of the problem of evacuating the poor and others who couldn't get out, but didn't have the resources to do it. Even with the claims on Drudge regarding the buses being available, the reality is the City didn't have 200 bus drivers to volunteer to drive them. The young man who comandeered a school bus was great, but imagine just grabbing two hundred drivers and sending them in heavy traffic to evacuate--the number of problems involving accidents would only make a difficult evacuation harder. City resources were focused on securing the city and moving people within the city to shelters including the Superdome, an action that save innumerable lives and the Times-Picayune agrees. By choosing to move people to a safe site, the City was able to reach far more citizens than if it had simply evacuated people out of the City. With the Contraflow plan under way, there was virtually no way to get buses back into the city after dropping off individuals so any bus trip out of the city would have been a one way trip for a bus.

Most striking despite the attempt to blame the City, is this sentence in the Times-Picayune article

quote:
City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own.


That's right--federal emergency officials were a part of the plan. Why? Because everyone understood there was no plausible means to evacuate everyone from the City of New Orleans in the face of a disastrous hurricane ( John Tierney is delusional).

During Ivan, only 1200 people showed up at the Superdome. During another hurricane about 14,000 took refuge there as well. Since Ivan, the City improved it's plan and had city buses run routes for people without cars to places where other special bus routes ran people to shelters. This time, 20-30,000 people got there. If there was a mistake, it was not designating another shelter of last resort--such as the Convention Center (this would have helped additionally because there would have been some real security planned).

The State and the City were aware that a Mandatory evacuation would still leave at least 100,000 behind. There simply is no infrastructure to solve that problem anywhere in the nation. Knowing that, the City was working to retrofit the Superdome during its rehab to provide exactly the kind of improvements that would have alleviated the suffering--power sources, food storage, and sewage modifications.

Overall though, those who vote have their concerns most addressed and in Ivan's case the contraflow system was very poorly managed causing long delays for those evacuating. The State fixed that plan and those with the means to leave certainly had a lot of traffic to deal with, but it moved relatively fast. The Times-Picayune said average speed was about 45 miles per hour which is not speedy, but fast and orderly for an evacuation.

Those who vote are those people who could evacuate and politicians responded. What's stunning is that even in the case of the worst off, the City of New Orleans still worked to improve the shelter intake and provision system to give a last resort.

What is unbelievable is the federal government didn't have a contingency for evacuating those left in the City after the storm. The problem was known and the City did what it could do to alleviate those concerns and in the long term had plans to alleviate the problems even further. Katrina beat them to it though. Let's make it clear though that with the Hurricane Pam exercise, federal officials fully understood the Superdome was a refuge of last resort and as such would need to be evacuated after a devastating storm.

While Ray Nagin should have called for a mandatory evacuation earlier than he did, he issued the first mandatory evacuation for the City of New Orleans ever and seems to have achieved a higher rate of compliance than any previous evacuation with estimates ranging from 70-80%. His actions to open the Superdome and provide transportation to it saved many lives. The failure was when federal agencies that knew the plan then failed to provide for evacuation of citizens stuck there after a catastrophic natural disaster.

There are going to be thousands of mistakes to identify over the next few years. Everyone in the situation make some understandable mistakes given the breadth of the crisis. Some of those mistaked are not understandable and at a minimum we are seeing a flood of bullshit out of Mike Brown's mouth that seriously questions whether he is in touch with reality. Fire him now. Updated 9/7 10:30 CDT

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/7/15129/07517


Now the one issue I do have with the above poster is that Nagin perhaps could have called an evacuation sooner. I really don't know how Nagin could have done this. Keeping the timeline in mind:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/katrina-timeline.php

How would Nagin have known the strength of this hurricane building? How could they have acted quicker? And how could they have ever possibly evacuated tens of thousands of individuals in a coordinated fashion within 48 hrs., once they knew the size and strength of this sucker? It wasn't even a consideration until Saturday when it reached a Cat 3 level. We're talking 100,000 people folks. No, the best plan to coordinate was to get their asses in a bunkered down place close by, which is exactly what the city did in record numbers this time - a much bigger improvement from the past.

And again, let's do some math on this hypothetical scenario with the buses and evacuation to somewhere, keeping our timeline in mind:

quote:
But, hey, let's imagine that there was a safe place to evacuate 100,000 people with little or no means to support themselves. Just what would it take to accomplish that? Well, a few simple calculations show that, even with all those flooded school buses, it might have been an insurmountable task. If you assume 100,000 people with 24 hours to evacuate (which, in the case of Katrina, was actually less than 20) you would have to average nearly 4200 people evacuated per hour. Large school buses hold about 75 passengers. That means you'd need over 2600 buses -- BIG buses. End to end they would comprise a line of buses 20 miles long! And, of course, 2600 bus drivers -- drivers that were simply not available according to reports I've heard (using inexperienced drivers may have been as dangerous as just staying put -- driving a bus is not like tooling around in your Honda -- it is a skill unto itself.) As a practical matter, say it took 30 minutes to load a bus, you would have to load close to 100 buses simultaneously, continuously, hour after hour to even begin to get out of town and beat the storm.

What about just making round trips with fewer buses? Not really an option since all the interstates out of the city were operating under 'contra-flow' so all lanes, north- and south-bound, were north-bound only. Returning vehicles would have been like spawning salmon swimming against the tide. The resulting traffic snarl would have been horrendous.

The math just doesn't work. There is no practical, real-world way, given the typical time allowed by an approaching storm and the geographic challenges of New Orleans, to evacuate 100,000 people who cannot provide their own means of transportation. The emergency prep guys in the area knew it and it was obvious to anyone familiar with the demographics of Orleans Parish. I sat through many emergency prep meetings in New Orleans and it was the 'elephant in the room' that nobody really talked about. The official response to a Cat 4 or higher storm was to evacuate -- when they'd say that, some of us would just look at each other and shake our heads. We knew -- and they knew -- it just wasn't plausible.

http://warrenreports.tpmcafe.com/st...9/9/13210/66695


Again, the local/state coordination shares some blame, esp. with the fighting going on with the feds., but this is a propaganda bullshit hypothetical nonissue that needs to cease.


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Armin Acolyte



Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
As for blaming Bush, I'm usually not one to blame him personally for everything that his dumbass administration does, but he personally was the one who appointed that "hack", as you call him, as head of FEMA, along with all the other incompetant retards who shouldn't have been there:



Hmmm let's put hacks in charge of a federal emergency response agency ... what could possibly go wrong? Yup good government at work here.


Happily...Brown has been relieved of anything Katrina related:
quote:

Last update: September 9, 2005 at 12:22 PM
Brown relieved of hurricane responsibilities
Lara Jakes Jordan, Associated Press
September 9, 2005 KATRINA0910.BROWN


Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown is being removed from his role managing Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, The Associated Press has learned.

Brown is being sent back to Washington from Baton Rouge, where he was the primary official overseeing the federal government's response to the disaster, according to two federal officials who declined to be identified before the announcement.

Brown will be replaced by Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad w. Allen, who was overseeing New Orleans relief and rescue efforts.

Brown has been under fire because of the administration's slow response to the magnitude of the hurricane. On Thursday, questions were raised about whether he padded his resume to highlight his previous emergency management background.

Less than an hour before Brown's removal came to light, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Brown had not resigned and the president had not asked for his resignation.

McClellan did not directly answer a question about whether the president had full confidence in Brown.

"We appreciate all those who are working round the clock, and that's the way I would answer it,'' he said.

>>Source<<


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quote:

That's right--federal emergency officials were a part of the plan. Why? Because everyone understood there was no plausible means to evacuate everyone from the City of New Orleans in the face of a disastrous hurricane ( John Tierney is delusional).


If this is true, why the hell didn't Blanco let FEMA and the rest in??? wtf...


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