It has nothing to do with the level of mastering, it has to do with the fact that you're listening to a REAL DRUMMER. Using REAL DRUMS. Manually.

As amazing as it sounds, there are people out there who dislike the quantized, sequence music that we listen to because it's too perfect, there's no room for human emotion, innovation, style or flavour in the product. It sounds exactly the same every time, because it's produced by a machine. Whereas with an actual drummer and band, there are minute differences and changes to the way they play, because no drummer is perfect, and no drummer plays the exact same way twice.

This is a retarded argument.

Actually there is room for human creativity in electronic beats too.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J That's a ridiculous generalisation, and I've never encountered anything like that in any rock music.

same

But yes, I agree. Rock isn't PURE like electronic. If you like it that way, sure. There's just too much of that cheap feeling over it, like there was really no effort put into it.

And don't complain, that's what it sounds like to my un-rocky ears.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos Actually there is room for human creativity in electronic beats too.

yes and no

it still needs to be continuously danceable so you are limited in some aspects

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Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC yes and no it still needs to be continuously danceable so you are limited in some aspects

Now, now, there is EDM... wait. Electronic music that you don't dance to, too.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos But yes, I agree. Rock isn't PURE like electronic. If you like it that way, sure. There's just too much of that cheap feeling over it, like there was really no effort put into it. And don't complain, that's what it sounds like to my un-rocky ears.

In many ways I totally prefer that cheap sound. Take a group like Skinny Puppy for instance. A band the pioneered the electronic/industrial sound way before NIN, ministry etc and their music was not crisp, overly compressed, mastered to a T or anything of the like... but no one has ever been able to capture that sound as well as skinny puppy even with all the progress in recording & mastering over the last 25 years

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Originally posted by meneedit I find that the biggest problem with rock/heavy metal is the fact that they dont really bother with compression or mastering. so the end result is often a bunch of songs with lyrics you cant even make out because of cymbals being too loud. Not only that but the cymbals sound really choppy and watery because they haven't been limited/compressed. I don't suppose there are any non-edm bands that prefer perfection?

i don't think perfection adds to rock and in fact actually takes a lot away. for instance, listen to sonic youth and then green day. green day sounds cleaner but it sounds like phony pop-punk crap. it's just too clean. sonic youth sounds real, edgy.

or listen to Hole Pretty on the Inside with later stuff from them.

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Originally posted by Ishkur It has nothing to do with the level of mastering, it has to do with the fact that you're listening to a REAL DRUMMER. Using REAL DRUMS. Manually. As amazing as it sounds, there are people out there who dislike the quantized, sequence music that we listen to because it's too perfect, there's no room for human emotion, innovation, style or flavour in the product. It sounds exactly the same every time, because it's produced by a machine. Whereas with an actual drummer and band, there are minute differences and changes to the way they play, because no drummer is perfect, and no drummer plays the exact same way twice.

imperfection is the allure of rock in many respects.

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and there really are plenty of well mastered rock albums... the new audioslave album for instace.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos There's just too much of that cheap feeling over it, like there was really no effort put into it.

Oh come on. Real live performances of music will always have more effort than a machine pumping out binary- and it is far better to experience live music than hearing someone push a button.

I still have respect for the likes of Orbital though- theirs is a style that couldn't be done by live musicians.

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Well, it depends. Drums often sound much better when they're real (see Juno Reactor) while guitars, for example, are very uneven in most cases and just screaming "master me!"

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos But yes, I agree. Rock isn't PURE like electronic. If you like it that way, sure. There's just too much of that cheap feeling over it, like there was really no effort put into it. And don't complain, that's what it sounds like to my un-rocky ears.

wow are you fucking serious?

What kind of bands are you listening to to make you think that? If anything it's your own ignorance for listening to shiet modern bands like Simple Plan. Get some quality in there, there's a whole lot of "heart" & "soul".

Pink Floyd.

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Originally posted by siastyle Okay iv hurd the Album and lemmi tell you guyz.... Tiesto is gono make it back to the top again with these hits. The thing about it is that hes trying 2 bring a new style tho just like he did with Just be and it worked. they songs areunt TOO HIGHT up. but the vocals acaully are the best thing in 2007. The Track Carpe Noctum is like traffic but it hink he could of prefected the shit ouf it. but generalllyy its an amazing album...oh and Ten Seconds Before Sunrise is like Forever today TIMES 12