I'm awaiting the improvements in Germany...10 years later...much change eh?

For the record my relatives over there are far better of than the majority, its the people that they employ which are about 5,000 that complain about the way things are.

Also, the move point was the moving of capital and different gov't infrostructure that was moved to Berlin.

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they might complain about the econimic situation but not about the reunification in general.

germany has some potential but people always like to stress the bad sides and dont event want to mention the good aspects. there is hardly anyone who is in a really bad situation in germany, but people very much like to complain about basicly everything and thats one of our problems

and as i said the people in the east are germans aswell. we were lucky to be born in the west, it was not our skill to be born in the west and it was not their decision to live in the east it was just luck and bad luck so there is really no reason to refuse a reunification just because it costs money. people are angry about the money because it was spend in the wrong way and not because they had to give money to the east.

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Also, the move point was the moving of capital and different gov't infrostructure that was moved to Berlin.

what does this have to do with anything else we talked about here?

Wow, some dumb responses in this thread

Anyway, I think Merkel's proposal about a flat tax system is really genious and it's nice seeing some western world politican that is finally standing up for this idea! hopefully this will lead to other countries doing the same. It's the way to go.

What's the deal with raising the sales tax tho? Doesnt that seem like a stupid idea in a country that really need to stiumulate consumption?!

Edmund Stoiber should be Chancellor. He's one of the most refined, intelligent, and principled politicians in the world.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid This women, Merkal, she is going to be the next leader of Germany if she wins right? So more Schroader, but rather this women. So the Germans are going to have a women leader running thier country. How come you never see a woman running for president here?

I think eventually the US may have a woman president, but not in the current climate of neo-medievalism.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Wow, some dumb responses in this thread Anyway, I think Merkel's proposal about a flat tax system is really genious and it's nice seeing some western world politican that is finally standing up for this idea! hopefully this will lead to other countries doing the same. It's the way to go. What's the deal with raising the sales tax tho? Doesnt that seem like a stupid idea in a country that really need to stiumulate consumption?!

The way to stimulate consumption is to create jobs for people so that they have excess money to spend. Companies like GM are pulling out of regions like the Ruhr because the labor costs are WAY too high. They can move plants further east into Europe and pay much less. And now all of those former plant workers lose their jobs and have little disposable income. Jobs stimulate economies. More jobs, better wages, better economy.

Also, don't forget that countries still need the tax revenue, so if you flatten out income taxes, you have to make up for that tax revenue somewhere else...aka sales tax. Just because you're paying a lower income tax doesn't mean that you're winning tax-wise. The government will get you somewhere else. It's just reworking how they tax their citizens.

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Originally posted by Vyper0987 The way to stimulate consumption is to create jobs for people so that they have excess money to spend. Companies like GM are pulling out of regions like the Ruhr because the labor costs are WAY too high. They can move plants further east into Europe and pay much less. And now all of those former plant workers lose their jobs and have little disposable income. Jobs stimulate economies. More jobs, better wages, better economy. Also, don't forget that countries still need the tax revenue, so if you flatten out income taxes, you have to make up for that tax revenue somewhere else...aka sales tax. Just because you're paying a lower income tax doesn't mean that you're winning tax-wise. The government will get you somewhere else. It's just reworking how they tax their citizens.

Well, companies moving out is a problem for pretty much every traditional western country. I don't think that's the main problem for Germany, at least not before it wasnt. Then exports were doing good and was pretty much the only thing that held the economy together, no matter what the politicans said they couldn't increase consumption, which was the reason why Germany wasn't doing any good, at all.

Of course that's not the only reason why Germany are doing crap but one of the big ones as far as I understand it.

And as for flat tax, many times it has actually proven to generate about the same revenues at a lower tax rate.