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Originally posted by Lepanto really? I didn't know that...psych..what was your post refering to though?

Seriously?!

You thought Arab meant Muslim?!

Jeez!

No Arab is a race, the one that originates from the Middle East. Arabs are Jews, Christians and Muslims of the Middle East. Another word for Arab is Semite (which is where the phrase 'anti-Semitic' comes from and why some people argue over it on here saying it doesn't just apply to Jewish people but prejudice against Arabs as well) On a side note, pan Arab-nationalism (the dominant ideology of the Middle East prior to this new era where Islamism is a serious challanger) has its origins with Christian Arabs

As for what I meant in my post...

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There aren't any Muslim states apart from Iran! Maybe Algeria? Anyway, do you mean Arab states? If so, aren't they all allied to America?

A Muslim state would be like Iran (or Afghanistan under the Taliban) ie one ruled by the religious clergy. I know Algeria had a religious revolution so they may be the same. All the other Middle Eastern states are either ruled by monarchies (eg the Gulf States) or are ruled by an Arab nationalist regime (eg Syria and Egypt) or are democracies like Lebanon (or Iraq supposedly!) None of these states are 'Muslim states' they are 'Arab states' and have a long history of kicking the shit out of the religious factions of their countries (usually by means of mass death) and are in the whole allied to the United States

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lol they gonna invade Iran with what army exactly?

Tats true, the US simply does not have the manpower to mount another Iraq-style campaign for quite a number of years. However, military action against Iran is likely to revolve around airstrikes against their nuclear facilities.

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ok on the serious part now,I hope they try to invade Iran because this time they will get fuck in the ass like never before oops wait thats already happening in Iraq.

Well when 1000s are dying at the hands of American bombs I shall quote you on that!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well when 1000s are dying at the hands of American bombs I shall quote you on that!

Well, thousands already have in Iraq, so time to quote him.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, thousands already have in Iraq, so time to quote him.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Tats true, the US simply does not have the manpower to mount another Iraq-style campaign for quite a number of years. However, military action against Iran is likely to revolve around airstrikes against their nuclear facilities.

I doubt that since Iran will 1. launch attacks to Iraq (lots of Americans,easy target).or cause an uprising there since they have about 60% of the people there behind them.
2.They will start launching Missiles to Isreal.

3.It will hurt them internationally.More countries would be against them simply because again they are making bullshit up like what they did in the Iraq war(WMD story).

I mean there is alot of things to loose here for the U.S. but since we all know that Bush and his admin have no brains,it simply wouldnt matter to them when comes down to the consequences or the aftermath of their attacks against Iran.


But we'll just have to wait and see what happens.you'd think Bush cant fuck up anymore or would do less at least after Iraq or Katrina but this man is all about his paople and peoples freedom.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lol they gonna invade Iran with what army exactly? ok on the serious part now,I hope they try to invade Iran because this time they will get fuck in the ass like never before oops wait thats already happening in Iraq.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I doubt that since Iran will 1. launch attacks to Iraq (lots of Americans,easy target).or cause an uprising there since they have about 60% of the people there behind them. 2.They will start launching Missiles to Isreal. 3.It will hurt them internationally.More countries would be against them simply because again they are making bullshit up like what they did in the Iraq war(WMD story). I mean there is alot of things to loose here for the U.S. but since we all know that Bush and his admin have no brains,it simply wouldnt matter to them when comes down to the consequences or the aftermath of their attacks against Iran. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens.you'd think Bush cant fuck up anymore or would do less at least after Iraq or Katrina but this man is all about his paople and peoples freedom.

I think a missile strike on Iran's nuclear facilities is the most likely option if America chooses to attack Iran

However, in response to your concerns...

1. Retaliation by Iran would result in more attacks on other targets other than the nuclear facilities. It is extremely likely that this scenario would be taken into consideration if America did decide to attack and would perhaps result in simultaneous strikes on Iran's wider military aparatus. I know Iran has ballistic missiles but I am not sure what the lauch facilities are. They only have short range BMs and if they are not in concrete silos could be destroyed in a first strike. Certainly their conventional forces could take quite a battering by airstrikes/missile strikes. I'm not sure Iran would risk retaliating as they would almost certainly suffer the same fate as Saddam's regime. Also, oppressive regimes tend not to be too popular with their own citizens and any weakening (in this case it would be a severe weakening) of it's security aparatus could result in much civil strife against the government should America itself not decide to topple the regime.

2. Also dragging Israel into a conflict could have even worse results for the Iranian regime as Israel would go full out on the offensive and they have nukes (so the theory of assured destruction would come into play)

3. I really don't think they care! And unfortunately I think they can afford not to care!

I think the point about the effects of attacking Iran will have on the Iraqis is a very valid point and would certainly fuck up everything they are working towards in that country. I think that, and the fact they simply do not have the manpower for another conflict will mean Iran is safe (ish!) from a military attack. I would expect sanctions if anything (seeing as in the end it turned out they worked a treat in preventing Saddam from building any WMDs!!!)

The high oil prices have resulted in Iran building up it's financial reserves just a tad. This will mean Iran can afford to close it's oil pumps just long enough to create another oil shock and put further strain on western economies.

Secondly Iran has developed the Shahaab(Persian word for Shooting Star) missiles that can reach as far as Israel and right into Iraq. If attacked, the Iranian government will most likely terget oil wells in the region in order to further increase the oil crisis.

This could have very devestating results!

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Originally posted by arnoldjch it wouldnt surprise me that Iran is next in the list of the countries to invade, but i doubt it if we invade them all hell is going to brake lose. in my opinion were freakin losing the war in Iraq, i dont see that much progress in the sense we are stopping the resistance(insurgency). well clearly many muslims think that London planned those bombings, and i know because i have many muslim friends that say that they even say that Al Qaeda dosent exist and that it was made up by the U.S and that OBL was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks the problem is that this people use their own sources and just dont follow some news that the media says and come up with their own conclusion/theories, sometimes they say shiet that makes sense and maked you think but in the other hand is not that credible( its like wtf are you saying)

god your a tool.

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