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Originally posted by Palladium ok....these tempo shit is freakin me out.... i set them on 6% range and match the pitch between the 2 cdjs....and then i cue in a start beat....so when i let it go matching with the other track goes ok...but then after 15 or 30 secs...wtf !!! trainwreck....and then i just get mad and turn all my shit off then after a while....i start again and it happens again the same shit what am i doing wrong ?

you didn't really match the pitch.


it takes time and then you will notice it a lot easier. so then if it goes off a bit correct it.

139 to 139...isn't that matching ?

and wtf is the master tempo for ???

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Originally posted by Palladium 139 to 139...isn't that matching ? and wtf is the master tempo for ???

you're matching the pitch using bpm displays?
match the pitch using youre ears, bpm displays are useless

master tempo is used for key locking, apparently anyway, thats what i learnt in the other thread

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Originally posted by Palladium 139 to 139...isn't that matching ? and wtf is the master tempo for ???

a) beat counters aren't 100% accurate. nothing is more accurate than your ear. however, since i mix a lot of different styles, i do sometimes use them to get close, and then match by ear.

b) 139 and 139. fine. but you have to remember, 139 can mean 139.00 or 139.01 or 139.46 or 139.88 or even 139.99BPM. so even if it's 2 of the exact same tracks, just because they say 139 on both CDJ's, it doesn't mean they're at the same speed yet.

c) master tempo is a key-lock function. here's a bit of an explanation:
when you play a track, and you pitch it up a lot, you will get a difference in the track's 'tone'. for example, you will notice vocals can get a lot higher and sutff, and sound like the chimpmunks. the idea behind master tempo is that if you set it, no matter how fast or how slow you play the track, the TEMPO will change, but not the track's pitch. (pitch = tone, tempo = speed. originally, by changing the speed the track was played, the tone naturally changed, as happens with vinyl. with this technology, you can have the track sound the same (or near the same) while variating the speed.)

it also makes corrections a lot less noticeable (you can tell a correction was done by hearing the big pitch change when someone messed with the joghweel, however, with master tempo, it wont happen.) still, i try not to use it unless the track sounds a lot better with it, because due to how it makes corrections sound, it can really throw you off.

keep practicing man. if you're really cut out for this, you won't give up. just think, one day, you'll be able to mix in a track, chill out, get a drink, talk to some hot girl, dance, and your skill will be good enough to still be in time to mix another track...

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Originally posted by Inertia a) beat counters aren't 100% accurate. nothing is more accurate than your ear. however, since i mix a lot of different styles, i do sometimes use them to get close, and then match by ear. b) 139 and 139. fine. but you have to remember, 139 can mean 139.00 or 139.01 or 139.46 or 139.88 or even 139.99BPM. so even if it's 2 of the exact same tracks, just because they say 139 on both CDJ's, it doesn't mean they're at the same speed yet. c) master tempo is a key-lock function. here's a bit of an explanation: when you play a track, and you pitch it up a lot, you will get a difference in the track's 'tone'. for example, you will notice vocals can get a lot higher and sutff, and sound like the chimpmunks. the idea behind master tempo is that if you set it, no matter how fast or how slow you play the track, the TEMPO will change, but not the track's pitch. (pitch = tone, tempo = speed. originally, by changing the speed the track was played, the tone naturally changed, as happens with vinyl. with this technology, you can have the track sound the same (or near the same) while variating the speed.) it also makes corrections a lot less noticeable (you can tell a correction was done by hearing the big pitch change when someone messed with the joghweel, however, with master tempo, it wont happen.) still, i try not to use it unless the track sounds a lot better with it, because due to how it makes corrections sound, it can really throw you off. keep practicing man. if you're really cut out for this, you won't give up. just think, one day, you'll be able to mix in a track, chill out, get a drink, talk to some hot girl, dance, and your skill will be good enough to still be in time to mix another track...

omg...my ego raised to its max !!

Last edited by Palladium on Sep-19-2005 at 20:16

Some people get beatmatching faster than others, you just gotta chillout, concentrate (100% on the music, dont even pay attention to what you are looking at even). I guess I am lucky because I got simple beatmatching down within 2 weeks, but I did use software before I got my setup. The main thing to do is practice and love trance!

i think the main thing u are doing wrong is not having enoigh patients!

try to beat match the track when they are both playing out through the speakers, until u know they are spot on. then take one out and listen to it through the headphones. try that afew times and just fucking practice

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Well when I had my TT's finally I already could beatmatch a bit because I already practised with software.
At first it took me like 5 minutes or some to match them and even then they weren't exactly matched but hey it was my first day!
And now after 2/3 months I can beatmatch two records in 5/10 sec at the same BPM. But then the real beatmatching starts. To get them well matched that they atleast are at the same speed for one minute.
When we are t that part you just have to do this:
If you hear they are out of sync a little but you can't hear which one's faster then wait a few seconds... then if you still can't hear which one's faster/slower then slow down the cueing track... if it goes even more out of sync then you know you're record has got to speed up! If goes in sync again then you know you've got to slow down the record.
After a couple of weeks you don't just speed it up or slow it down to hear which one's faster cause you KNOW then which one's faster and so you make the right pitch adjustment right away. Atleast I'm at this point now.
I only screw it up when I'm mixing two records and I hear one of them is out of sync. In my headphone I hear which ones faster but when I listen to my stereo I slow down the wrong one sometimes... Just gotta keep practising!

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Originally posted by Palladium ok....these tempo shit is freakin me out.... i set them on 6% range and match the pitch between the 2 cdjs....and then i cue in a start beat....so when i let it go matching with the other track goes ok...but then after 15 or 30 secs...wtf !!! trainwreck....and then i just get mad and turn all my shit off then after a while....i start again and it happens again the same shit what am i doing wrong ?

15-30 seconds is pretty good. AS SOON as you hear something sound slightly wrong, use the jog wheel to correct it. When you start off you won't know whether it needs to be sped up, or slowed down using the jog wheel, so just guess. With time you'll eventually figure it out.

Whatever you do, don't sell your gear tho. It has nothing to do with your inability to pick it up, but rather the fact noone's there to show you exactly what to do.

I had wannabe DJ syndrome for several years, and I 'released' many mixes in that time that I did with the computer using Traktor DJ studio for my car and my friends. Just this summer I was fortunate enough to have enough money to get a similar setup to yours, except I have a DJM-707 for the mixer instead. I could beatmatch and mix immediately after opening the boxes and setting the equipment up, but I can't really say I'm even a real DJ yet. There are a lot of people in the same boat as you, and even someone like me who could beatmatch out of the box doesn't even neccessarily have enough other skills with the EQ's, levels, and Xfader to mix completely seamlessly. Even the people who are more experienced on this forum ask for help in the 'advanced techniques' thread so in a sense everyone is just like you - still learning. This is the only real way to approach it because if you stop now you'll just be like everyone else who has a guitar or a set of turntables collecting dust.

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Originally posted by jmix I sold my Subaru to buy more vinyl. No regrets

i sold my old laptop to buy my first decks (techs)

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Originally posted by Nic you're matching the pitch using bpm displays? match the pitch using youre ears, bpm displays are useless

+1

as i'm getting more and more into mixing cd's. i have noticed that the bpm counters are absolutely useless. "so useless as in why did they ever include one" usless.

there are times where one track will read 110, and the second will read 112, and i have the slow down the 110 track to keep them together.

trust your ears. and focus on ONE thing on ONE SONG. -especially in the begining. when i started, i would only pay attention the kick of the cue track. when i would hear my mix drift, i would concentrate on that kick only. i would ask my self if the kick sounded faster or slower than the track playing. then adjust the cue track accordingly. try to avoid standing back, and trying to listen to the mix, and trying to figure out what's to fast or slow. also, try do your corrections on one song only when you're mixing. if you start correcting a little bit on the cue, then start messing around the the master track then you run the risk of correcting the wrong way, and really messing things up.

also, you may want to create a more controlled situation by leave one track just a tad slower, or faster (up to you) then just just the pitch up, (or down) button to bring them back together until you get used picking up on when the tracks are drifting, and making corrections. when you're ready, try to leave your tracks less slow/fast -improve your initial beatmatch, so you will force yourself to better a job the first time, and correct less.

Last edited by sr126 on Sep-20-2005 at 06:33