What about public/private, what defines the them.
EG.
Having a 2 of 3 freinds listening to some music, would that be private?
What about having a party withing your own residence 100-200 people would that be public or private?

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Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy What about public/private, what defines the them. EG. Having a 2 of 3 freinds listening to some music, would that be private? What about having a party withing your own residence 100-200 people would that be public or private?

Im guessing private would consist of a party of your friends, family, people you know without obtaining some sort of monetary profit for the party as well as the performers not receiving monetary profit from the party as well - in/on your own residence.

Obviously anything getting any kind of promotion to the general public would be considered a public party as well as any party that has an entrance fee or pay to the performers. These fee's are most likely not reported to Uncle Sam, and the place of the party has to be cleared by the buildings dept as well as the fire department so that it would satisfy fire and building codes. There are probably more intricacies that are involved with the difference between a public and private party.

Also, I think that theres a limit to how many people are at the party for it to be considered private... anything over 100 might be considered public.

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

So does that mean you can play all your ripped mp3s at house parties?

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Originally posted by Pinokio If you buy the vinyl, and you make a copy on Cd and sell the cd, that it's illegal. You can not sell a copy of something that you don't own. Now, when you sell the vinyl you own, to another person, you are transfering the right of owning that record to another person. so you will no longer have that right. Then after you loose that right, you go and buy the mp3, you will get the right again. SO I think what you mean it's legal.

can't be arsed to read through the thread but i have to correct this a little. firstly, you can't sell a copy of something you DO own. technically, it's illegal to resell your music too (since you are making money on material that isn't yours), although no-one cares about people who sell second-hand music.

scrolling down i see that someone said that you can't make a copy of music you own. this is also a common misconception about copyright law. you are allowed to make a number of copies limited to your own use, i.e. you can take a record, and burn it 20 times to 20 cd's, so long as you have 20 diffrent cars to put it in.

as far as private/public performance is concerned, the law is very blurred on this line. a public performance is generally decided on whether or not you pay to see the performance, although recently there has been additions to the law stating how many people there has to be to consist a public performance. in a nut-shell, having a house party is ok and no-one will care what music you play, so long as it a) doesn't cause disturbance of the peace, and b) doesn't happen regularly. 100 people WILL consist a public performance if it is blatent, particularly if a DJ is playing.

back to the original question:

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Originally posted by harriz If you buy a track on vinyl make a cd bootleg from it sell it and buy the track on mp3 to own the copyrighted music are you or are you not breaking the law by using that cd?

yes, you are technically breaking the law as the copy you are using is ripped from a vinyl. but really, who is going to know the source of the CD? at the end of the day you may as well have just bought the damn mp3 in the first place and saved yourself a lot of hassle.

sorry if i answered questions already answered elsewhere, but i can't be arsed to read the thread fully

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my rule of thumb is just do it, until someone's hot after your ass. chances are that no one will give a shit. it's only when you start substantially affecting the bottom line that someone will take notice. in your case, i doubt that that's the case. even if you did, you could always negotiate for the rights afterwards and give them a cut.

JUST DO IT. it's much easier to ask for forgiveness than it is permission.

don't yet anyone talk you out of it.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange my rule of thumb is just do it, until someone's hot after your ass. chances are that no one will give a shit. it's only when you start substantially affecting the bottom line that someone will take notice. in your case, i doubt that that's the case. even if you did, you could always negotiate for the rights afterwards and give them a cut. JUST DO IT. it's much easier to ask for forgiveness than it is permission. don't yet anyone talk you out of it.

Dude ...thats like exacly how I feel about it
I say you should be able to play a copy of stuff you already own
in another format ,vinyl or cd .

guys, just my 2 cents...try to ask judge at your local court for FORGIVENESS

sorry didn't read the whole thread but this whole FORGIVENESS thing oh my gooooooooooooooood....

just do anything you like and then ask people to forgive you...great!

*off to kill a few teachers, hope you forgive me


peaaaace...

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umm... I highly doubt its illegal to rip your vinyls->wav/CD and play them out through CDJs or Ableton. Considering the likes of Sasha do it and play out loud almost everyday at huge venues around the world, if it were illegal someone would stop him. Sasha has time and again said it himself that he rips the vinyls he gets and leaves them at home.

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Originally posted by PersianMafia umm... I highly doubt its illegal to rip your vinyls->wav/CD and play them out through CDJs or Ableton. Considering the likes of Sasha do it and play out loud almost everyday at huge venues around the world, if it were illegal someone would stop him. Sasha has time and again said it himself that he rips the vinyls he gets and leaves them at home.

Like I said before, once you own the copy, whether given to you by the producer or bought from an authorized merchandiser, you own that copy of the song, you basically bought the privledges to do what you please with it, as long as you dont redistribute or sell it to others.

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

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Originally posted by PersianMafia umm... I highly doubt its illegal to rip your vinyls->wav/CD and play them out through CDJs or Ableton. Considering the likes of Sasha do it and play out loud almost everyday at huge venues around the world, if it were illegal someone would stop him. Sasha has time and again said it himself that he rips the vinyls he gets and leaves them at home.

Yes it is illegal. It's also illegal to play off laptop in a club, although the PPL have just brought in a special license which allows you to do this, which costs £200/yr.

It is illegal to make a copy of a recording without official permission from the copyright holder. Simple as. So making a mixtape is illegal, even if you don't give it to anyone. Burning a copy of a legally downloaded mp3 onto CD is illegal in theory HOWEVER most of the download companies have it as part of their license with the label to allow the track to be burnt to 1 CD or DVD, check T&Cs on sites to make sure as apparently they don't all have this agreement (although I know beatport and djdownload definately do). Burning a CD copy of vinyl is illegal, even if it's just for your own use.

If you don't believe me, e-mail the PPL and they'll tell you. For info on the DJ license thing, visit www.digitaldj.co.uk

It's possible there are regional differences here, me being in the UK and a lot of you being elsewhere, although I'm pretty certain mechanical copyright law (the one that says you can't make a copy of anything without permission) is common across the globe.

Quote from info on DigitalDJ license:
"When you purchase a vinyl record, tape or CD you only can use that record for domestic purposes. You do not acquire any rights to copy that record or to play that record in public. So if you want to copy a sound recording on that record onto your computer, you must obtain the permission of the owner of the copyright in that sound recording."

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Last edited by Stu Cox on Sep-25-2005 at 03:51

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Originally posted by PersianMafia umm... I highly doubt its illegal to rip your vinyls->wav/CD and play them out through CDJs or Ableton. Considering the likes of Sasha do it and play out loud almost everyday at huge venues around the world, if it were illegal someone would stop him. Sasha has time and again said it himself that he rips the vinyls he gets and leaves them at home.

Quote taken straight from the info on the DigitalDJ licence:

"Up until now, it has been illegal to DJ with computer based
hardware and you could face a prison sentence of up to 6
months and/or fine of £5,000."

So Sasha has been breaking the law, when he's played in the UK at least.

But this DigitalDJ licence is a UK thing. Whether the US and other regions will have their own at some point, or whether it was already legal I don't know.

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