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Re: Re: Re: Someone Should Sue the Catholic Church!

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So you have no anti discrimination laws in the US of A


Of course there are. But they are almost exclusively applicable to the public spheres of the law, meaning the federal government and the states through the 14th amendment (equal protection of the law and due process). This is why public schools were desegregated by a Supreme Court decision, not ALL schools were (including private and religious schools).

To understand this better lets look at it from this simple example. The 1st amendment grants me freedom of speech, but only against the state. I don't have a fundamental right that grants me freedom of speech in Tranceaddict or in a movie theater or in a restaurant. These are private entities that can reserve their right to admit us as long as we follow their rules, which actually restrict speech.

Congress has legislated anti-discrimination laws that oblige the private sector such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but these are backed by a wide interpretation of the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution. This clause gives Congress the right to regulate commerce between the states. The Civil Rights Act takes into account that private employers/corporations across the US benefit from interstate commerce, and as a consequence Congress has a right to regulate how these private entities do business, including their hiring practices (ie. anti-discrimination laws that affected private employers were declared constitutional in the 1960s.)

Those were the holdings of the Supreme Court in the 1960s, which was way more liberal than the Rhenquist Court that lives on today. Nowadays the clause is construed more narrowly, and anti-discrimination laws are harder to get by in the private arena.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Someone Should Sue the Catholic Church!

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Congress has legislated anti-discrimination laws that oblige the private sector such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but these are backed by a wide interpretation of the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution. This clause gives Congress the right to regulate commerce between the states. The Civil Rights Act takes into account that private employers/corporations across the US benefit from interstate commerce, and as a consequence Congress has a right to regulate how these private entities do business, including their hiring practices (ie. anti-discrimination laws that affected private employers were declared constitutional in the 1960s.)


There you go, those were the kind of laws I was talking about. So my questions is, why wouldn't the catholic church fall under this category? Or it doesn't matter for them cause they don't benefit from the interstate commerce? Wouldn't that be true for all small companies too then?

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Someone Should Sue the Catholic Church!

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There you go, those were the kind of laws I was talking about. So my questions is, why wouldn't the catholic church fall under this category? Or it doesn't matter for them cause they don't benefit from the interstate commerce? Wouldn't that be true for all small companies too then?



Because the Catholic Church (or any established religion) doesn't fall exactly into the corporation/employer position that would justify such regulation that the commerce clause merits. The 1st amendment creates a special category for these organizations, and the state is prevented from regulating or creating new limits on the exercise and organization of said religious groups.

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Because the Catholic Church (or any established religion) doesn't fall exactly into the corporation/employer position that would justify such regulation that the commerce clause merits. The 1st amendment creates a special category for these organizations, and the state is prevented from regulating or creating new limits on the exercise and organization of said religious groups.


Guess that makes sense. I think in most countries with a less strong constitution it works differently tho. And don't the staets have their own anti-discrimination laws too?

At least I'm sure the church would fall under employment laws here in Sweden (then again the catholic church is about as big here as it is in Iran probably), in Canada too I *think* (which have a huge catholic population).

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