so guess what you're saying is this...



the difference being that EBM is 100% or nearly 100% electronic, and that industrial is not.

i hate to say that you're right, so i won't.

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Last edited by Spacey Orange on Sep-26-2005 at 01:58

most of those songs are indeed industrial but if you wanna relate them to a more familiar electronica style, it will probably be EBM, though in cases of KFMDM, NIN and Rammstein they are more rock then electronica. Industrial is fun but below the originality of it, lies dulness and cliches that most bends use and it gets boring fast.

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EBM is electronic music, Industrial is rock music

Nope industrial is NOT rock music (unless you mean the rammsteins and marilyn mansons types of industrial which is a bad joke in my opinion...), industrial is a completely seperate genre and yes EBM can be considered as an "industrial" sub-genre. Anyway, i can't consider throbbing gristle, coil, art of noise or liaisons daingeroueses as "rock music" anyway!!! Furthermore acts like cabaret voltaire are not industrial nor EBM in my opinion but fall somewhere in between. But enough with this genre stereotyping.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Nope industrial is NOT rock music (unless you mean the rammsteins and marilyn mansons types of industrial which is a bad joke in my opinion...), industrial is a completely seperate genre and yes EBM can be considered as an "industrial" sub-genre. Anyway, i can't consider throbbing gristle, coil, art of noise or liaisons daingeroueses as "rock music" anyway!!! Furthermore acts like cabaret voltaire are not industrial nor EBM in my opinion but fall somewhere in between. But enough with this genre stereotyping.

KMFDM, MDFMK, Godhead, etc are all industrial rock acts. with plenty of more.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Nope industrial is NOT rock music (unless you mean the rammsteins and marilyn mansons types of industrial which is a bad joke in my opinion...), industrial is a completely seperate genre and yes EBM can be considered as an "industrial" sub-genre. Anyway, i can't consider throbbing gristle, coil, art of noise or liaisons daingeroueses as "rock music" anyway!!! Furthermore acts like cabaret voltaire are not industrial nor EBM in my opinion but fall somewhere in between. But enough with this genre stereotyping.

in contrast to most threads around here, i'm actually finding this one educational, interesting, and useful. so please spare me your whining.

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Industrial is not a genre, it is a STYLE. It falls under the rock category.

The most abrasive and aggressive fusion of rock and electronic music, industrial was initially a blend of avant-garde electronics experiments (tape music, musique concrète, white noise, synthesizers, sequencers, etc.) and punk provocation. As industrial evolved, its avant-garde influences became far less important than its pounding, relentless, jackhammer beats, which helped transform it into a darker alternative to the hedonism of mainstream dance music. Industrial's trademark sound was harsh and menacing, but its rage was subordinate to the intentionally mechanical, numbingly repetitive qualities of the music, which fit the lyrics' themes of alienation and dehumanization quite well. In the early '90s, Ministry and Nine Inch Nails took their variations on industrial to wider alt-rock and metal audiences, but a substantial number of industrial artists chose to remain underground. The first group of industrial bands — England's Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and Germany's Einsturzende Neubauten — were initially as much about beyond-edgy performance art as they were music. The second generation of industrial artists — including Skinny Puppy, Front 242, and Nitzer Ebb — added pummeling dance beats to their predecessors' confrontational sounds, for a substyle often referred to as electronic body music (centered around labels like Wax Trax). Meanwhile, bands like Ministry and KMFDM added metal-guitar riffs, which helped Ministry break through to a wider audience in the late '80s and early '90s; similarly, Nine Inch Nails' Trent Reznor added more traditional song structures, and made his own persona the focal point, giving the music a rare human presence and becoming a star in the process. This more widely appealing strain of industrial continued to influence alternative metal throughout the '90s. Still, after industrial metal began to fade, a near-exclusively electronic form of industrial dance continued to thrive as an uncompromisingly underground style, with many artists coming from the U.S. and Germany.



a little history and explanations on the style.

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Alright...Industrial isn't rock...heh. It's a more encompassing term that describes a sound that runs through rock and electronic music. But to call EBM Industrial is kind of like calling GOA Trance EDM. It's not technically wrong, but for a guy requesting something specific it won't get them anywhere. Zombie0915, by the songs he likes, wants more EBM, not more of any Industrial music.

So it's more like this...

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Trance should not remotely sound like Industrial, or any other genre that is often coupled with Industrial. That would be a disgrace to the edm scene as a whole.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Alright...Industrial isn't rock...heh. It's a more encompassing term that describes a sound that runs through rock and electronic music. But to call EBM Industrial is kind of like calling GOA Trance EDM. It's not technically wrong, but for a guy requesting something specific it won't get them anywhere. Zombie0915, by the songs he likes, wants more EBM, not more of any Industrial music. So it's more like this...

dude are you retarded? you just made industrial A GENRE, it's a STYLE!

once again...

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?...05843&sql=73:20

look under the bloody Rock Styles, the first thing under the alternative/indie rock subgenre IS INDUSTRIAL.

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Originally posted by Lepanto dude are you retarded? you just made industrial A GENRE, it's a STYLE! once again... http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?...05843&sql=73:20 look under the bloody Rock Styles, the first thing under the alternative/indie rock subgenre IS INDUSTRIAL.

Yeah, there is industrial rock right there. You're right, Industrial Rock is a subgenre of Rock. And there's industrial techno, EBM, Noise, and other industrial EDM. I don't think you read what I typed correctly. Industrial is a sound that describes a number of subgenres within EDM and Rock music.

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'Industrial' sounds sexy - dirty too.

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