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Q5echo
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of the 110 SCOTUS judges in history, over half never held a bench.

get over it.

Old Post Oct-03-2005 23:11  United States
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MisterOpus1
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Well like I said, not a big point to ponder because other notables have not been on the bench prior to nomination (Rhenquist comes to mind). Regardless, I still think it would be an important prerequisite to have, and it seems a bit strange to hire someone to the highest court in the land who have never held a gavel in their hands.

But from what I've heard from the Conservative wingnutters, you guys ain't happy with this pick at all. Limbaugh had a cow and needed Cheney to call him to reassure him, Hannity was all over it saying how weak a pick she was, Bill Kristol from the Weekly Standard mentioned this:

quote:
"It is very hard to avoid the conclusion that President Bush flinched from a fight on constitutional philosophy. Miers is undoubtedly a decent and competent person. But her selection will unavoidably be judged as reflecting a combination of cronyism and capitulation on the part of the president," said William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard magazine.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsA...COURT-MIERS.xml


Lowry over at National Review says this:

quote:
“DEPLORABLE” [Rich Lowry ]
Just talked to a very pro-Bush legal type who says he is ashamed and embarrassed this morning. Says Miers was with an undistinguished law firm; never practiced constitutional law; never argued any big cases; never was on law review; has never written on any of the important legal issues. Says she's not even second rate, but is third rate. Dozens and dozens of women would have been better qualified. Says a crony at FEMA is one thing, but on the high court is something else entirely. Her long history of activity with ABA is not encouraging from a conservative perspective--few conservatives would spend their time that way. In short, he says the pick is “deplorable.” There may be an element of venting here, but thought I'd pass along for what it's worth. It's certainly indicative of the mood right now...

http://corner.nationalreview.com/05...hive.asp#078320


Over at American Spectator blog, there's hints of even a Conservative filibuster:

quote:
Just spoke with a staffer for a conservative member of the Judiciary Committee whose boss is extremely unhappy about the nomination of Harriet Miers . . . There is now talk among some conservatives about a filibuster of the Miers nomination . . .

http://www.bullmooseblog.com/2005/10/hog-in-slop.html


All very interesting. I tend to wonder if it's not a head fake by the Conservatives here - I mean they trust Bush to the very end on every decision he makes. I see no reason why they think this decision he makes is an incorrect one.

But here's some more interesting info. on the company she worked for. Sounds more like Kenny Boy really:

quote:

In case anyone thought Harriet Miers wasn't a corporate-shill-in-White-House-clothing, take a gander at how Miers did her best Ken Lay impression while heading a major Texas corporate law firm. That's right, according to the 5/1/00 newsletter Class Action Reporter, Miers headed Locke, Liddell & Sapp at the time the firm was forced to pay $22 million to settle a suit asserting that "it aided a client in defrauding investors."

The details of the case are both nauseating and highly troubling, considering President Bush is considering putting Miers at the top of America's legal system. Under Miers' leadership, the firm represented the head of a "foreign currency trading company [that] was allegedly a Ponzi scheme." The law firm admitted that it "knew in March 1998 that $8 million in [the company's] losses hadn't been reported to investors" but didn't tell regulators.

This wasn't an isolated incident, either. The Austin American-Statesman reported in 2001 that Miers' law firm was forced to pay another $8 million for a similar scheme to defraud investors. The suit, which dealt with actions the firm took under Miers in the late 1990s, was again quite troubling. As the 9/20/00 Texas Lawyer reported, Miers' firm helped a now-convicted con man "defraud investors and allowed the firm's [bank] account to be used as a 'conduit.'" The suit said "money from investors that went into the firm's trust account was deposited into [the con man's] bank accounts and was used to pay for his 'expensive toys.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david...eat_b_8277.html


Crony, that's all that comes to mind.

And BTW, anyone else find it a bit of good timing to have Bush push his nomination today when we see this on the very same day?:

quote:
A Texas grand jury on Monday indicted U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay on a new charge of money laundering.

A different grand jury whose term ended last week indicted him on a conspiracy charge, forcing DeLay to temporarily step down as House majority leader.

Both indictments accuse DeLay and two political associates of conspiring to get around a state ban on corporate campaign contributions by funneling the money through the DeLay-founded Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee to the Republican National Committee in Washington. The RNC then sent back like amounts to distribute to Texas candidates in 2002, the indictment alleges.

http://www.statesman.com/news/conte...Indictment.html


Different grand jury. Different charge.

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Q5echo
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i realize from your first post that you did not hold up the argument that she has never held a bench.

there is some notable conservative dissent which i equate to knee-jerking. this Neocon, however, thinks this is a solid pick on not just merits but overall strategy. the others will come around. there will be no fillibuster Democrat or Republican.

as for DeLay...the bet is still on.

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metalgearsolid
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So if she is a lesbian and neocon than that means she is in denial. So her being a lesbian will not be important. I think she got to where is going to soon be is due to the money she gave to bush and that is all. Bush is a dumbass he puts all his friends and the peeps who give lots of money into some of the most important positions in government. I mean what a dumbass hes puttting this whole country at risk.

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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
of the 110 SCOTUS judges in history, over half never held a bench.

get over it.


You're a tad bit off:

Supreme Court Justices Without Prior Judicial Experience Before Becoming Justices (41 to date for those too lazy to click here)


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Q5echo
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quote:
Originally posted by metalgearsolid
I think she got to where is going to soon be is due to the money she gave to bush and that is all. Bush is a dumbass he puts all his friends and the peeps who give lots of money into some of the most important positions in government. I mean what a dumbass hes puttting this whole country at risk.

she's an Evangelical Christian.

last time i checked, lawyers don't give their clients money, it's the other way around. whatever.

go ahead and keep being an ignoramus.

P.S. she's given more money to Democrats up for election that any Republican.

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metalgearsolid
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^^^no I am sure some of the peeps were GWB friends she might not be. I did know she gave money to demos but that still does not stop her from being a con.

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Q5echo
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quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150
You're a tad bit off:

Supreme Court Justices Without Prior Judicial Experience Before Becoming Justices (41 to date for those too lazy to click here)

i stand corrected. almost half.

i also correct my statement to metalgearsolid about Miers campaign contributions.

http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_...rriet_Miers.php

she gave $1000 dollars to Al Gore? wtf?

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Spacey Orange
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lol at conservatives. maybe KR has something up his sleeve or is the KR machine sputtering? i'm not holding my breath yet.

Houston Chronicle

quote:
Troy Newman, president of the anti-abortion Operation Rescue, called for the Senate to reject her nomination, saying too much is at stake and too little is known of her views.


they're going to shit in their pants when they learn that she likes to work on motorcycles and is a huge fan of Melissa Etheridge.


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Excellent article:

quote:

Can This Nomination Be Justified?

By George F. Will

Wednesday, October 5, 2005; Page A23

Senators beginning what ought to be a protracted and exacting scrutiny of Harriet Miers should be guided by three rules. First, it is not important that she be confirmed. Second, it might be very important that she not be. Third, the presumption -- perhaps rebuttable but certainly in need of rebutting -- should be that her nomination is not a defensible exercise of presidential discretion to which senatorial deference is due.

It is not important that she be confirmed because there is no evidence that she is among the leading lights of American jurisprudence, or that she possesses talents commensurate with the Supreme Court's tasks. The president's "argument" for her amounts to: Trust me. There is no reason to, for several reasons.


He has neither the inclination nor the ability to make sophisticated judgments about competing approaches to construing the Constitution. Few presidents acquire such abilities in the course of their pre-presidential careers, and this president particularly is not disposed to such reflections.

Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that Miers's nomination resulted from the president's careful consultation with people capable of such judgments. If 100 such people had been asked to list 100 individuals who have given evidence of the reflectiveness and excellence requisite in a justice, Miers's name probably would not have appeared in any of the 10,000 places on those lists.

In addition, the president has forfeited his right to be trusted as a custodian of the Constitution. The forfeiture occurred March 27, 2002, when, in a private act betokening an uneasy conscience, he signed the McCain-Feingold law expanding government regulation of the timing, quantity and content of political speech. The day before the 2000 Iowa caucuses he was asked -- to ensure a considered response from him, he had been told in advance that he would be asked -- whether McCain-Feingold's core purposes are unconstitutional. He unhesitatingly said, "I agree." Asked if he thought presidents have a duty, pursuant to their oath to defend the Constitution, to make an independent judgment about the constitutionality of bills and to veto those he thinks unconstitutional, he briskly said, "I do."

It is important that Miers not be confirmed unless, in her 61st year, she suddenly and unexpectedly is found to have hitherto undisclosed interests and talents pertinent to the court's role. Otherwise the sound principle of substantial deference to a president's choice of judicial nominees will dissolve into a rationalization for senatorial abdication of the duty to hold presidents to some standards of seriousness that will prevent them from reducing the Supreme Court to a private plaything useful for fulfilling whims on behalf of friends.

The wisdom of presumptive opposition to Miers's confirmation flows from the fact that constitutional reasoning is a talent -- a skill acquired, as intellectual skills are, by years of practice sustained by intense interest. It is not usually acquired in the normal course of even a fine lawyer's career. The burden is on Miers to demonstrate such talents, and on senators to compel such a demonstration or reject the nomination.

Under the rubric of "diversity" -- nowadays, the first refuge of intellectually disreputable impulses -- the president announced, surely without fathoming the implications, his belief in identity politics and its tawdry corollary, the idea of categorical representation. Identity politics holds that one's essential attributes are genetic, biological, ethnic or chromosomal -- that one's nature and understanding are decisively shaped by race, ethnicity or gender. Categorical representation holds that the interests of a group can be understood, empathized with and represented only by a member of that group.

The crowning absurdity of the president's wallowing in such nonsense is the obvious assumption that the Supreme Court is, like a legislature, an institution of representation. This from a president who, introducing Miers, deplored judges who "legislate from the bench."

Minutes after the president announced the nomination of his friend from Texas, another Texas friend, Robert Jordan, former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, was on Fox News proclaiming what he and, no doubt, the White House that probably enlisted him for advocacy, considered glad and relevant tidings: Miers, Jordan said, has been a victim. She has been, he said contentedly, "discriminated against" because of her gender.

Her victimization was not so severe that it prevented her from becoming the first female president of a Texas law firm as large as hers, president of the State Bar of Texas and a senior White House official. Still, playing the victim card clarified, as much as anything has so far done, her credentials, which are her chromosomes and their supposedly painful consequences. For this we need a conservative president?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5100400954.html


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George Will, while I disagree with his positions on almost every issue, always forwards a very concise and compelling argument for his side of things.

And here a 10 year old crack smoking monkey could give a compelling argument against Miers being a supreme court justice. So his is double compelling.


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