quote:

Originally posted by Fir3start3r While true, I'm not about to believe something just because someone decided to make a movie about it... *cough*MichaelMoore*cough*

No, instead you ignorantly disregard the entire message simply because it's being voiced by a person whom you consider to be a political foe.

Michael Moore, although an easily hateable guy, did have some very good points in an otherwise factually challenged 9/11 documentary.

I personally don't like the guy, but in saying that I also have to admit that I don't even know him. I also don't pass judgement based on the people's court of popular opinion - which is almost always be swayed by the corporate, conservatively owned "liberal" media and the feebleminded shills that always promote their skewed versions of events.

As I said, Michael Moore does have some good points...

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5938683

quote:

Originally posted by Trancer-X [color=#33ccff]No, instead you ignorantly disregard the entire message simply because it's being voiced by a person whom you consider to be a political foe.

No, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

The fact that he's on, "The other side of fence" doesn't mean a total disgard on my behalf.
Had that been the actual truth, I probably wouldn't even know what the movie was about...
Nor would I even opened the thread to begin with knowing a "political adversary" created it; so much for being ignorant...
Unless you actually think I going into lefty-threads just to butt heads. Unfortunately I don't like to waste time like that; debate is what I'm after, hence I ask questions.
Take the question for what it is, not for where it's coming from since that would lead to a biasing reply and opinion such as yours.

I simply stated that if this is such a catastrophy, why isn't the media all over it like they are with everything else catastrophic?
A valid question I would think no?

It does suggest that either this really is a huge cover-up or that the director is diving into the realm of a working theory...

___________________
"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

quote:

Originally posted by Fir3start3r I simply stated that if this is such a catastrophy, why isn't the media all over it like they are with everything else catastrophic? A valid question I would think no?

Well, judging by the scale of past coverups - if this story is true, then it would still be a relatively small coverup.

Why isn't the media all over it? Haven't you retained anything that I've been saying on these boards? Investigative journalism has been dead for quite some time now. For the most part, we're only fed what they want us to consume, and that is very little.

quote:

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar weekly salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." - John Swinton, former Chief of Staff of the New York Times (1953)

look making such a large atrotious allegation you better have facts.
Bodies, witnesses, mass graves, and in addition some way to connect that to the USA military (as opposed to just the N. Alliance), by demonstration of a letter, order, report, command, deployment, etc of US forces according to the plot line.

If such a thing did happen, it should not be hard to get those facts.

___________________
SAVE ZIONIST MUSTARD: BUY ZIONIST KETCHUP!


Click here to support the free mustard alliance.

quote:

Originally posted by Fir3start3r I simply stated that if this is such a catastrophy, why isn't the media all over it like they are with everything else catastrophic? A valid question I would think no?

That is the second time you've used that absurd argument. Well, why isn't the mainstream "leftist" media covering it?

You remember the massacres in East Timor right? Well, the media was NOT covering them until a few good journalist found the opportunity to push those stories in. Human Rights groups had been all over it way before the media touched it and were desperately trying to get the news out so something would be done about it.

quote:

Originally posted by Yoepus look making such a large atrotious allegation you better have facts. Bodies, witnesses, mass graves, and in addition some way to connect that to the USA military (as opposed to just the N. Alliance), by demonstration of a letter, order, report, command, deployment, etc of US forces according to the plot line. If such a thing did happen, it should not be hard to get those facts.

Right, people do have em, and just like many people who responded to this thread, they don't believe it. *cough* bias *cought*

___________________
"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

quote:

Originally posted by shaolin_Z That is the second time you've used that absurd argument. Well, why isn't the mainstream "leftist" media covering it?

Why is it "absurd"?
The media can give us a daily body count from Iraq but can't report a major catastrophy?
How does that translate to absurd?
That's just logical deduction in my books...

___________________
"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

quote:

Originally posted by Fir3start3r Why is it "absurd"? The media can give us a daily body count from Iraq but can't report a major catastrophy? How does that translate to absurd? That's just logical deduction in my books...

Clearly you have a very poor understanding of how the media works, the pressures involved from various institutions, the people who run them etc. I already gave you the East Timor example as a counter example.

___________________
"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

quote:

Originally posted by shaolin_Z Clearly you have a very poor understanding of how the media works, the pressures involved from various institutions, the people who run them etc. I already gave you the East Timor example as a counter example.

I guess I'm just not making myself very clear then.
Media pressures and influences are acedemic and therefore, understood (at least one would think in a forum such as this).
What I trying to get at really was, who/what are the influences sheltering the catastrophe up?
How is it that this one investigative reporter was the only one that seems to be bringing it up?

Forgive me for being a sceptic but when it comes to media of any sort (news/movies/etc.) there is always a bias one side or the other depending on the source.
Rare is the day of balanced "reporting".
Even 'documentaries' have to a taken with a grain of salt ala the personal tirade of Mr.Moore.

___________________
"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

quote:

Originally posted by metalgearsolid SO I am guessing that you believe an arab life is less important than a white persons life?

Not an Arab life...a Taliban life.

I could give 2 shits if all those little Taliban/Al Queda ******s where killed.

___________________
Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

quote:

Originally posted by shaolin_Z I find it interesting and disgusting how people so easily dismiss something as "right" or "left" so they can continue to hold on to their delusional world views. So unless your source isn't BBC or the Washington Post or some other relatively mainstream media outlet it's automatically false? It's sad how conditioned so many of us are.

+1 !!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by tiesto14 Not an Arab life...a Taliban life. I could give 2 shits if all those little Taliban/Al Queda ******s where killed.

wow, what a tool.