I wouldn't really be too worried about the ethical side of the set thing, I know DJs who are shameless in how they edit and prepare demos. Use of Multitrack recorders etc.

The bottom line is that most promoters are more interested in your track selection than your mixing unless it's trainwreck fest 2005.

Although if your mixes are so bad that you have to edit them then you shouldn't be in a club.

Just keep spinning and soon you wont need to edit.

I can see Tony's point too though, once you get to a certain level the competition gets really tough and you have to use everything in your arsenal to get the gig especially when there is good money involved. I know it should be the love of music but when your rent comes from that money it's a different story.

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Originally posted by jdat years of practice man... years of practice :P btw how's the COR holding up without me?

Stay outta the COR man! It's bad for you mental health.

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Originally posted by Zild Stay outta the COR man! It's bad for you mental health.

I said farewell to the COR several weeks ago

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 I can see Tony's point too though, once you get to a certain level the competition gets really tough and you have to use everything in your arsenal to get the gig especially when there is good money involved. I know it should be the love of music but when your rent comes from that money it's a different story.

yea, i'm also looking at this from a working dj standpoint

i would love to say i do this for the love of the music and all that mushy jazz, but the bottom line being, is that there's a bottom line...
i still love what i do, i wouldn't be doing it otherwise (whoever says being a dj is easy deserves a swift kick in the nuts, the politics are mindblowing, but that's a whole other thread)
but bills need to be payed and music isn't cheap

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one transition with a trainwreck is not gonna stop you from getting gigs. if you show that you can correct it in a timely manner. I am sure having some mistakes on a mix is bettery then having a unrealistic "perfict" mix. Now if your whole set was a big trainwreck, then dont bother fixing it, just practice more before sending out a demo. What is gonna happen when you get out there in front of 10 , 100, or a 1000 people and you ruin every transition? It is gonna look pretty sad.

My point is , if you have to fix your mixes with editing programs, you shouldnt be handing out demo's.

Now if you are raising the volume or compressing or whatnot, I dont see anything wrong with that. Although , If all your mixes are WAY up and down in volume, then you need to learn how to use the LEDS/Gains/Eq's better

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As has already been said a few times, if it's not too bad, stick with it.

If you really feel you have to, just re-record those tracks and mixes then use a wave editor to stick it together seemlessly in time. Of course it would be silly if you just went through making sure every single mix was perfect before doing the next etc but if it's literally one or two dodgy mixes, what difference does it make if you rerecord the whole thing exactly the same apart from perfecting those couple of mixes or if you just have a quick go at redoing them, other than the amount of your time it'll take up?

I've had a couple of times in the past when my Dad has walked through the door while recording my last mix and made me fluff it... there would be no point in redoing the whole thing simply to correct that if it had all gone fine until then.

My philosophy for a mix tape is that it is an expression of what you do and what you like as much as a demonstration of your live abilities. In my opinion a demo isn't necessarily directly comparable to a live set. If you include loads of technical stuff, it shows you're willing to push things a bit; if your mixing is absolutely bang on and is really smooth but each mix is pretty much the same it tends to suggest you think tune selection is more important so in a live situation you may be more likely to pick exactly the right tunes at the right time (obviously the accuracy of these interpretations is going to vary, but you get the idea).

Obviously you should mix on the medium with which you'd play a live set and you should of course know yourself that you're capable of playing a suitable live set before you start sending out demos, but that shouldn't stop you from planning a few special things for a demo you might not be so likely to do live. In the same way that maybe you might have some things you save for a live situation...

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first off thanks for the advice


the mix is pretty much flawless except for like 7 seconds that two tracks are off... i corrected it perfectly, but it's still a stain on the mix IMO.

Tony I'd love to send you my mix, how can I do it? Please note that the file is pretty big, it's a WAV

yousendit?

there's going to have to be some converting to mp3 and back to wav a couple times

i've got a busy schedule, but i'll at least take a listen and see if i can fix it

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Originally posted by Tony Morello yea, i'm also looking at this from a working dj standpoint i would love to say i do this for the love of the music and all that mushy jazz, but the bottom line being, is that there's a bottom line... i still love what i do, i wouldn't be doing it otherwise (whoever says being a dj is easy deserves a swift kick in the nuts, the politics are mindblowing, but that's a whole other thread) but bills need to be payed and music isn't cheap

Pretty much my own situation and the way I see it. They should invent a whole new expression sort of like streetwise except perhaps clubwise as it takes years to get and is a must have skill as a working DJ.

There are so many inflated egos in this business it's so hard not to step on someones toes and the hardest thing is that sometimes someone steps on toes for you just by giving you a break.

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this is not so hard, just mix the two songs in which you made the mistake again (but this time good) and record that onto your pc. Then you have a lot of options, i would choose mixmeister to cut and paste (its very precise with its visual interface etc)

If you fail, i can do it for you just upload both the entire mix and the mix with the two songs mixed good at yousendit.com (pm me)

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Pretty much my own situation and the way I see it. They should invent a whole new expression sort of like streetwise except perhaps clubwise as it takes years to get and is a must have skill as a working DJ. There are so many inflated egos in this business it's so hard not to step on someones toes and the hardest thing is that sometimes someone steps on toes for you just by giving you a break. Cheers Nem

it's funny cause there's a couple douchebag promoters here who blunder through this and still manage to come out on top, although location of the club has A LOT to do with it

they just do what they please without considering who's toes they're stepping on and what the reprocussions of being a douche actually are

but yes, being "aware" of how things go or are run in your area are a must for any dj wanting to break into it, or clubwise as nem has coined it

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