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david.michael
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Dayton, OH, USA

It is very strange. I don't have near the CPU you do and I run all kinds of VSTs and such simultaneously and I'm using a crap soundcard and I rarely have a problem. Nothing close to that first vid you posted, lol.

Sounds like an interesting track you're working on there, though.

Old Post Oct-21-2005 17:25  United States
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IDarkISwordI
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Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Clay Center, USA

Hey. There are still a ton of things that could be possible. If you have seriously tried ASIO4ALL and you have tried otehr numorous things, then its going to be dealing with hardware other than your soundcard. Most likely, you need to look to your hard drive. Possibly you have some things turned on that are hurting performance. If you have Diskeeper or Norton SymstemWorks, theres a decent chance that its quietly defragging your hard drive all the time. Another possibility is that you have indexing turning on. M$ and thier bright fucking ideas came up with the idea to create a database of all your files to make it faster to search through. But oops on thier part because it runs continuously rescanning files damaging performance. The last possibility and the msot likely possibility is that your hard drive is badly fragmented. A badly fragmented drive can add up to 100ms per fragment of a particular file. With your hard drive trying to grab at all these chunks in a need-to-be-real-time-environment, your performance is thrown in the toilet. Just some things to consider.

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Old Post Oct-21-2005 17:34  United States
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vrahnos
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Heraklion, Crete

quote:
Originally posted by IDarkISwordI
Hey. There are still a ton of things that could be possible. If you have seriously tried ASIO4ALL and you have tried otehr numorous things, then its going to be dealing with hardware other than your soundcard. Most likely, you need to look to your hard drive. Possibly you have some things turned on that are hurting performance. If you have Diskeeper or Norton SymstemWorks, theres a decent chance that its quietly defragging your hard drive all the time. Another possibility is that you have indexing turning on. M$ and thier bright fucking ideas came up with the idea to create a database of all your files to make it faster to search through. But oops on thier part because it runs continuously rescanning files damaging performance. The last possibility and the msot likely possibility is that your hard drive is badly fragmented. A badly fragmented drive can add up to 100ms per fragment of a particular file. With your hard drive trying to grab at all these chunks in a need-to-be-real-time-environment, your performance is thrown in the toilet. Just some things to consider.

Cheers,
Zac


i have 2 coolers on each (sata) hd, auto indexing is off and i'm not running any lame programs like systemworks.
i said before that my comp is configured for maximum performance, i'm even using server-type coolers for my hd's, cpu, etc (10 coolers total)
my windir doesnt need defragment, i'm not installing/uninstalling software every day, i'm running specific programs for over a year now, but still i'm doing defragment once per month.

i will try asio4all,
thanks dude

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DigiNut
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If you're running 7 instances of z3ta+ then expect to get skips, no matter what settings you use.

You have to learn to conserve CPU. Bounce the parts. Freeze instruments. Network a second workstation and distribute the load. Etc.

There have already been a lot of threads on conserving CPU. Bottom line is, no matter how much you tweak your system, there are some hard limitations and you won't be able to pump out more than 5-10% CPU load than what you've already got. All you can do is turn OFF certain instruments and effects.

Reverb is often a CPU killer too, if you're using any. If you need to conserve CPU, save reverb until the final mixdown.


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dj jasonF
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Registered: Aug 2004
Location: athens, greece

whenever i use z3ta or kortg legacy or even the arturia stuff, i make a new project work on the synth export and use the wavs instead.. also.. you should start using patterns.


its has nothing to do with the settings... just use other vsts (that use less cpu) and audiotracks for the heavy stuff.

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djlogik
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Rochester, NY

Yeah if you’re using at least 6 instances of z3ta+, then regardless of the kind of system you have you will get some underruns. Even using FX Freeze you’ll still get some underruns. For some reason I thought you said you had a different soundblaster card so I assumed it was that. Patterns will most likely bring down the CPU load a little bit, but all I can suggest is doing what dj jasonF said. Keep exporting and it will help regardless of how time consuming it may be.

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david.michael
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Location: Dayton, OH, USA

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Network a second workstation and distribute the load. Etc.


How do you do this with FL Studio?

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dj jasonF
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Location: athens, greece

btw nobody mentioned the most importand thing. fx are cpu killers. even fruity delays. and ofcourse good compressors / reverbs / distortion plugs can get as much cpu as z3ta does.

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