Originally posted by Derivative
well i havent listened to everything hybrid has put out. not by a long shot. but symphony isnt all that complex breakswise. and the hybrid remix of xpander really does just have a 909 kick and snare for a good part of the track.
this is one of those things called 'elitism' which ive encountered from industrial to emo and back again.
music is necessarily fluid. just because a breaks track sounds 'computerized' and is generally minimal in the sense of kick shuffling doesnt mean it shouldnt be taken seriously by fans of breakbeat music. there have been (ironically) great breaks tracks with not so hot breaks (think cold fresh air by higher sense - stuttered amen! ooooh! and thats a moving shadow classic). if the 'breaks community' dismisses songs based on the fact that they sound 'computerized' and 'dont cut it' owing to some arbitrary standard they set on what exactly they have to do with their drums - then they can go f.u.c.k themselves.
just like those whiny emo jerks that tell every guitar band that comes out of detroit what they are and why they arent emo.
all of this is just shop talk though. a breakbeat is just a beat that breaks from 4/4 time. simple as that. beyond that you can be as lazy or as obsessive as you want about what it sounds like/how complex its going to be/whether or not its going to be a composite of synth drum hits and live drums etc etc.
if you are going to talk about lazy, slapped together in fl studio in 2 seconds breaks then go look at the thousands of tramen rollers in drum and bass. i honestly cannot see how anyone could possibly think these are better crafted than some of the simplest of programmed from scratch breaks. all they did was sample dom & roland.
if its lazy it'll show. but there are some situations where a simple shuffly break is really all thats necessary - i cant see sunrise at palamos launching into a bloody tramen or anything. the breaky bit before it breaks down is spot on the way it is. and yea, its a breakbeat, albeit a fairly simple one.
Well said squire
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Oct-22-2005 02:01
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I've certainly encountered elitists, but I've also noticed that "elitism" is often used as a new buzz word for anything one doesn't understand. There IS such a thing as being "in the know", and simply because those people don't take someone or something seriously does not make them elitists.
I'm not exactly raising the bar high here - people who listen to breaks with any regularity are who I consider to be in the know. People who only hear breaks in the occasional Ferry or Armin set as remixes of trance tracks are not in the know. And as for Hybrid, you mentioned only two of dozens of tracks they've made, and those two happen to be the most often played in *trance* sets... somehow, I'm not surprised that those were the ones that got identified.
I repeat: A shuffled kick does not a breakbeat make.
Whether you like it or not.
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Oct-22-2005 02:15
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I agree ...
The Armin or Corsten breaks in all examples are not breakbeats parsay ...
they are but they are not ...
They are in the fact that form follows function ...
they are not in the matter that It came from something alot bigger, massive than people take into realization ...
BT is a perfect example to take effect in ... Listen to him ... Know what a true breakbeat is ...
Flame me or argue with me ... this is my opinion ... you don't like it ? do not read it ...
This seems like a completly pointless thread to me.
Genres names are in place to give an outline of what a track is, but the edges are constantly blurred. Arguing over whether one thing is breakbeat or trance, or whether its the kick that makes the breakbeat or the breakbeat that makes the kick is pointless.
I call Hybrid breakbeat trance. Because it sounds like trance but with a breatbeat.
And it's gotta be said if you use a breakbeat in trancey stuff you have to use different rhythms in the melodies, so it's a different ball game from the start.
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Originally posted by messytechie
Genres names are in place to give an outline of what a track is, but the edges are constantly blurred.
Blurry edges are edges nonetheless.
Subtle: I'm not familiar with that particular track name, send/post a sample and I'll give you my take on it.
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