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Originally posted by Subey A superintelligent presence overrided Cobalt's post in order to *insert* "We're V by V" symbolism into it.

Ah, whaever

Slip o the tongue

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Originally posted by Cobalt Echoed? No, not really. In the 2001 universe the HAL 5000 was a tightly monitored, purely deterministic computer, with no "free will". The sister 5000 model on earth did not match output with Discovery's HAL 5000. The conclusion on earth was simply that the Discovery HAL was in error, which can occur by all manner of mechanistic causes (or by intervention of a superintelligent alien presence *cough*). However, the HAL 5000 had a flawless record, indicating something beyond simple error. Ash and Bishop were assumed to have a degree of machine "free will", some capacity to make decisions that no other identical model would arrive at independently. They were 'androids', not 'computers'. Further, one can dispute whether Ash's actions were a 'malfunction', versus the intentional result of programming from the company, in order to return the alien.

read 2010, 2061 and 3001 to see why that notion is not really correct.

HAL said " I am afraid. " no error or code could make a super intelligence computer, literally compute an emotion.

What HAL is, isn't important. The entire book/movie is what trully counts.

Mr. Kubrick asked Mr.Clarke to write a book based on his story "The Sentinel". Kubrick adds his infamous touch to this, which means that everything has a billion meanings and somethings aren't important when you take a look at the big picture.

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Originally posted by Lepanto read 2010, 2061 and 3001 to see why that notion is not really correct. HAL said " I am afraid. " no error or code could make a super intelligence computer, literally compute an emotion.

Hmm, interesting point.

And I didn't (yet) read the sequels, so I am probably missing a lot of the story.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Hmm, interesting point. And I didn't (yet) read the sequels, so I am probably missing a lot of the story.

The problem with the sequels is that they didn't have Kubrick working on them.

The rest of the books aren't really "trippy" but straight up sci-fi. Extremely interesting either way. More importantly think about the time the books were written when you read them. Very much ahead of their time.

give them a read very interesting. I'm reading 3001: the final odessy finally lol.

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Originally posted by Lepanto The rest of the books aren't really "trippy" but straight up sci-fi. Extremely interesting either way. More importantly think about the time the books were written when you read them. Very much ahead of their time.

Clarke always was ahead of his time. He's probably had more correct hits about the future than any other major sci-fi author (and still living to see them! Talk about lasting...)

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Originally posted by Cobalt Clarke always was ahead of his time. He's probably had more correct hits about the future than any other major sci-fi author (and still living to see them! Talk about lasting...)

Jules Verne, and H.G. Wells also contributed alot to science with their worls.

but in terms of complexity, imagination and staying true to laws of physics and technology of our time Arthur C. Clarke is amazing.

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Originally posted by Lepanto give them a read very interesting. I'm reading 3001: the final odessy finally lol.

I wasn't impressed.

While Arthur is amazing on many different levels I've found that his series tend to get worse with each book. I found this to be especially true of the Rama series.

Anything written by him and Stephen Baxter
or written by him and Gentry Lee
I tend to fear.

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Do you know why? Because what made 2001 a masterpiece that will echo in history is the fact that Stanley Kubrick co-wrote it.

the rest of the series isn't just sci-fi not in the same sense that 2001 was. For example, when I read 2010 it didn't have any interesting thoughts behind like evolution or anything like that but a simple sci-fi exploration that explains some of the events of 2001 and simplifies them too much.

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