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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN why is predictability a problem? for me, i think its one of the best parts of music.

As a relatively new member to this forum and someone who has only recently discovered trance, I'm inclined to agree with pkc here. I've found that while the first listen of a lot of the live sets downloaded from this site has been good, and surprising, I have enjoyed the music a LOT more when I know what's comming up and have a feeling for where it's going to go next. Especially when dancing to it.

Although I haven't ever listened to 'prog' (and in all honesty don't really know what any of you are talking about), but hit me with some and I could probably be used as a tranceaddict guinea pig of sorts.

yeah jules ANALyses the music too much. he knows it =)

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Originally posted by 00soups00 i dont think the music is any more intelligent necessarily, but i think the listeners as they grow and age get an opinion which is more refined, as they know what they like and what they dont like.

True dat.

But don't we get more intelligent as we get older.

Imagine what the "educated" elite would asy to this thread on ITM

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy As for the oldschoolers, a lot of them complain about the decreasing quality of dance music, and often times, the lack of variations and ingenuity in the sets put out these days are their most prominant complaints.

Could this be because as each genre matures and evolves it becomes more refined and its sound more unique. Example: Sasha and Digweeds - The Mix Collection takes you through a variety of genres, "moods", and "feelings" but each song has that similar "raw" feel in terms of production quality and sound effects used thus allowing mixing from one genre to another more seamless.

I don't know if i was capable of explaining the above correctly oh well it makes sense in my head

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And only after I had really listened to some older sets of DJs did I understand excatly what they were talking about.

Yeah i found out this when i listened to Sasha and Digweeds Northern Exposure Tour 1997 on JJJ Mixup; compare it to trance sets nowadays and you'll definately notice that ingenuity and variation is lacking today :/

I like music which has energy and which has the right blend of familiarity & innovation. I really need a melody to hold my attention- If it's too rhythmic I'll drift off somewhere else (zzzzz). I prefer music to have an element of 'story' which is why epic minor melodies grab me the most.

I absolutely love some progressive, but on the whole I feel that much of the prog I come across these days falls short in the 'energy' department, and whether I enjoy particular proggy tracks or not will depend heavily on my mood at the time.

By contrast, I can have trance for breakfast lunch and tea. I believe that there is ample variety within the genre of trance, and I have found personally that the more familiar I become with a genre, the more capable I become of perceiving uniquenesses and distinguishing between various subcategories.

So it may be that when a trance-hater says "it all sounds the same", a more elightended version of the same statement might go "I'm not familiar enough with this genre to distinguish between and appreciate the variety that there is within it". My guess is that these people have not been fortunate enough to have been exposed to (or inspired enough to seek out) the same varitey (within said genre) that I have.

I don't agree that age necessarily has anything to do with it, but I do notice the trend you are talking about. I can attest personally, that the older I get, the more I enjoy more pumping (faster bpm) trance. I also know that genre's are constantly evolving and meshing together so you never know what you might end up liking down the track!!!

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Pryda - aftermath

Digweed played this, awesome tune.


But really, compare it to a trance tune and it is VERY similar.

Big break down, massive kick back in. THe crowd reaction is the same as it is with a massive trance track.


But yea Jules, I agree, which is probably why I like prog & trance the same these days. Electro/tech quirky stuff is my main style now, but i still like and play the prog and trancey stuff

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1's 64 beats

trace is short mixes
progressive is long mixes

trance is fuck off obvious cheesy hands in the air every 3.4 minutes breakdown
progressive is a bit more restrained, not so 'bright/loud/obvious/cheesy' melody every 5 minutes

trance is faster
progressive is slower

Trance is Educated to Happy Hardcore
Progressive is Edudated to Trance
Techno/Minimal is Edudated Progressive.

Trance is generally faster, and brighter more obvious.

Progressive takes longer to get into, as it's more subtle. subtle = educated.

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Originally posted by muli Pryda - aftermath Digweed played this, awesome tune.

See, now I actually just bought this vinyl, and I rate The Gift more than Aftermath, which all the prog lovers have been jizzing themselves over.


I guess thats off topic, but maybe djway can tell me how subtle = educated?
Theres no reason for saying this. Its just one group of people who reckon they are superior labelling their style as educated, and then making all these claims such as subtle = educated. I'm sorry, it doesn't work without a REASON. Maybe the more obvious melodies of trance are more educated, becaus they are more complex. It works both ways.


And I like both.

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Originally posted by marsh I prefer music to have an element of 'story' which is why epic minor melodies grab me the most.

word!

the main reason i dont like much prog is that the melodies are too subtle for me. or something. i dunno. they just dont follow that predictable (for me) pattern epic trance does. i love love love a song that i can hear where its going before it goes there, coz it makes melodic sense (to me).

which is why i hate so much trance being released at the moment; you hear it and wonder wtf the producer was thinking. theres no delivery on the promise.

so im now going to go explore prog house/trance and see if i cant find some epic trance tunes hidden inside them

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so im now going to go explore prog house/trance and see if i cant find some epic trance tunes hidden inside them

Andrew K dude... jump on his forums and go into the Sets section

i agree that progressive is more subtle which generally lends itself to being enjoyed by the more "educated". like a fine wine for example, as time goes by your taste changes. when you're a kid you like lollies, when you are older you may enjoy blue cheese (eck!)
but really there is no argument, everyone is different and everyone likes different things

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