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Staedtler
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quote:
Originally posted by Demoted
just out of curiosity, you mentioned that the five djs bas originally stated were cookie cutter copies of themselves. Care to explain how Sasha and Pete Tong are in any way similar in their sound to Tiesto, Armin van Buuren, and Markus Schulz?


oh i wasn't talking about the music they spin, which i don't care for anyway. i was talking about the way they spin. you know, playing out tracks out for 6 minutes for a grand total of an amazing 9 track in an hour mix, mixing nice and safely on intros and outros like the pro experts they are, letting the music largely do the work for them, and so on. like most other dj's.

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Staedtler
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quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas
Oh well...I tried to spread teh love


alright, i understand that i probably shouldn't have said some bad thing about your favorite DJ(s). i'm sorry. even though i was simply stating that i don't like those dj's, dj's like them, and why i don't. an opinion which shouldn't make people angry, but does because people are funny that way. let's go hug a rainbow.

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bas
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quote:
Originally posted by Staedtler
alright, i understand that i probably shouldn't have said some bad thing about your favorite DJ(s). i'm sorry. even though i was simply stating that i don't like those dj's, dj's like them, and why i don't. an opinion which shouldn't make people angry, but does because people are funny that way. let's go hug a rainbow.

No no that's not what i'm trying to get at. It shouldn't matter which DJ you love or why...the point was that we're all here for the same reason, for the love of the music. And yeah we all love and respect our respective djs so saying "why would I like djs that..." isn't relevant to this thread.

Don't get me wrong, I like debating about djs and why I think the ones I like are the best. But there's a time and a place s0n


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RoBDaWG
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Okay time to un-jack this thread


In my opinion, a DJ can only get so good. There's only so much you can, especially in this genre. Turntablism is a whole 'nother story. My favorite DJ is (duhr) Johan Gielen. I remember hearing the name from Svenson and Gielen songs, having no idea how big he was at the time. Then one day I downloaded a Trance Energy video someone linked me to. It's the year Twisted was the TE theme song, and Sven played it live. So I see the name Johan Gielen on it, and I'm like WOAH that must be the dude from Svenson and Gielen, sure enough the end of the video they play Twisted and I'm like WOAH this guy is awsome. He just looked so passionate about the music, the way he works the crowd, the lighters, just his aura seemed so awsome. So I downloaded every set of his I could find and I was like HOLY SHIT, this guy spins the EXACT kind of stuff that I love. I wanted to see him live soooo bad, but figured I'd have to goto Europe to do so. So one day, someone sends me this IM about going to WEMF (world electronic music festival) in Canada. I thought he was crazy it was 2 days away and a 14 hour drive. I followed some links looked it up, saw Johan Gielen on the flyer. I nearly shat myself. Needless to say, 2 days later, me and some total strangers (that lived no where near me) were on the road! This is getting really long, so to sum it up, he's playing his headliner set, I'm the first guy in the middle in the front going nuts the whole time, he was so awsome, so emotional, so into the music and the crowd, just like in the videos, I couldn't believe it. Here and there I would yell for him to play "Breathing" (Airwave 2003). At one point I jumped up on the stage to take a close up picture (and mind you anyone that got up on the stage got tackled by security immediately). I'm up there, and this security guard comes towards me, and Johan just holds up his hand kind of signaling it's okay. I got the best picture. Afterwards (fuck I gotta stop babbling) He lemme come backstage and hooked me up with a picture of him that he signed, and took pics with me. Been my favorite DJ since lol.


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^

Replace "Johan Gielen" with "other dj name" and I'm sure there's a ton of stories just like that --- which isn't a bad thing, I don't mean to downplay your story. I bet a lot of people have had the same experience though, especially the part about seeing a familiar name on a flier and making some impromptu plans on the spot


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Clovis
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Heres what I wrote in teh original thread while really stoned:

For me, the videos of Sasha @ ICE say it all...

At some ungodly hour of the morning, in a hot and stuffy dark room, a bunch of people, some close friends, some total strangers, are going absolutely wild because of one person, who has their hand on the mixer...

Its when you seriously believe (drugs help ) that the guy behind the decks has taken you to another place...some undefinable place where the only thing that matters is the bass and melodies erupting from the speakers around you...as the person in charge takes you on a journey through electronically produced music intelligently constructed and put together in order to make you DANCE, FEEL, and LIVE.

Why do you think I hold Sasha with such high regard? He takes you on a fucking journey, through all kinds of soundscapes, dark tracks, heavy tracks, pounding tracks, melodic tracks, minimal, techy, beautiful, vocal, deep, dirty disgusting...

You could use any of those words to describe some sort of track he dropped at any given point at ICE. A journey mixed to perfection so that you forgot if the track was changing or the mix was changing, and with builds so intense you felt like you were flying to space.

Music you can dive headfirst into and become completely lost in...with your friends near, hands in the air, screaming over watts and watts of sound as you look the DJ in the eye while he rapes your ears of their virginity...


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Ishkur
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Re: What is it about...

quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas
what is it about our favorite djs that makes us hold them in such high regard?


Marketing.

quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas
what is it about them that we love so much?


Their faces on CD covers, so we know what they look like and know who to worship when they come on the decks, despite the fact that the music isn't a hell of a lot dissimilar from the guy who was playing previously.

quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas
why is it that just one picture can say so many things to each of us?


If you are enthralled by a single picture, you probably have very simple tastes. And can be entertained by shiny things.

quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas
what is it about this music that we all can't live without? anyon else wonder things like this?


No.

quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas
they deteremined when you went and got a drink, they determined when you started/stopped dancing, they determined when you put your hands up, they determined when you looked over at your friends and noticed everyone was just having a fucking good time.


Okay, please just shut the fuck up, right now. Here's what happened.

Initially the DJ was considered a techno shamen of sorts. He was the drummer who led the tribal furor, but he did not control it, he did not tyrannically oversee it, and the participants in the drum circle were just that--participants. The show was very much a give-and-take thing. Everyone put into it for mutual, communal benefit. They were not spectators. They did not face him. In some cases, no one was really sure where he was or what he was doing, so long as the music kept playing. They were, for the most part, anonymous and unencouraging of their status, choosing to let the music speak for them, and to keep the party going at all costs. The people at the ebvent did not depend on him to entertain them. They did not cheer when he did something ridiculously simple like play a record. Call the event what you will. Rave. Gathering. Event. But it was not a concert. And the reason for going was the experience. Not the DJ.

Early compilation CDs were often given unanimous throwaway names like "Tancendental Explorations Vol. 4" (something meaningless and arbitrary, yet still appropriate), and whoever mixed them was anonymous and faceless. If he had a name, it might be in the liner notes somewhere. In small type. As a kind of miscellaneous note, but nothing important nor to brag about. The important part was the music. Not who played it. What was more real than anything was what you did with it. Not who you depended upon to make you feel like its important enough to do something with it.

Then, sometime around the mid-90s, something happened. The album-oriented world of pop music applied its techniques, its aesthetics, its polished, smooth delivery and impressive sheen to the faceless world of electronic music. Instead of nameless CDs featuring busy and anonymous fractal art, we had faces. Not faces of producers or musicians, but of DJs. This caused a lot of confusion, especially with the rise of file-sharing, when newbies to the scene interpreted these faces to be original artists, and their compilations thusly original artist CDs. Thus, you have Oakenfold as the inventor of everything from Gamemaster to Binary Finary to Enervate.

So by focusing less on music and the party atmosphere/experience, and focusing more on Britney Spears-style image, fashion, and style above substance, electronic music suddenly became consumer-driven music. Manufactured, pliable, safe, feather-lite pap McTrance (this is why you call the years 99-2000 the glory years, because it became really lame, boring, and thus perfect for mass appeal) proved to be an economic boon for the electronic music industry. DJs were propped up like rockstars, their faces adorning magazines and posters, their words quoted in interviews, and their electric raves getting larger and larger, turning into pyrotechnic concerts and festivals, removing the element of the dancer as participant, replacing with the dancer as spectator, watching the theatre on stage, ingratiating himself, worshipped as a living god.

It's great that these people have made a lot of money off the punters, parasites, trend-whores and ignorant newbs who can't think for themselves and didn't appreciate electronic music until it put on this shiny new faceplate full of pretty colours and shiny things for them to consume, but don't ever foster any delusions that what these people do is any more complicated or impressive than riding a bike. They have excellent marketing/PR teams, and they know the right people. That's all they've done right. The music is a distant and, in most cases, an unimportant third to why they are famous, and why you like them so much.

In short: you are the sucker who fills their coffers. They are laughing all the way to the bank at you.

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Clovis
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Re: Re: What is it about...

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur


In short: you are the sucker who fills their coffers. They are laughing all the way to the bank at you.



I am so happy I'm making Sasha rich...you have no idea...


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DJ Shibby
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Re: Re: What is it about...

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
Marketing.

blah blah more words


Thanks, you said exactly what I was thinking.

Long live teh music.

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Soonmeister
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Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Madchester

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
Heres what I wrote in teh original thread while really stoned:

For me, the videos of Sasha @ ICE say it all...

At some ungodly hour of the morning, in a hot and stuffy dark room, a bunch of people, some close friends, some total strangers, are going absolutely wild because of one person, who has their hand on the mixer...

Its when you seriously believe (drugs help ) that the guy behind the decks has taken you to another place...some undefinable place where the only thing that matters is the bass and melodies erupting from the speakers around you...as the person in charge takes you on a journey through electronically produced music intelligently constructed and put together in order to make you DANCE, FEEL, and LIVE.

Why do you think I hold Sasha with such high regard? He takes you on a fucking journey, through all kinds of soundscapes, dark tracks, heavy tracks, pounding tracks, melodic tracks, minimal, techy, beautiful, vocal, deep, dirty disgusting...

You could use any of those words to describe some sort of track he dropped at any given point at ICE. A journey mixed to perfection so that you forgot if the track was changing or the mix was changing, and with builds so intense you felt like you were flying to space.

Music you can dive headfirst into and become completely lost in...with your friends near, hands in the air, screaming over watts and watts of sound as you look the DJ in the eye while he rapes your ears of their virginity...



Amen to that ...that was beautiful man ...golden words


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Re: What is it about...

quote:
Originally posted by dj_bas
don't forget people this music is the reason we're all friends



fucking hippy. Im not your friend.

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