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Originally posted by richg101 the plugs probably wont lower the likelyhood of going deaf by much. but will certainly filter the harmful high frequencies that are responsible for tinnitus.

I'm sorry to have to bust you again lol. These lower the sound decibels by 20dB, a DRAMATIC amount. Most clubs wont get near 120dB because then NO one would be able to hear anything and everyone would be in pain (for reference, a jet taking off produces about 120dB worth of sound at 200ft away). I would think that most clubs are somewhere around 80-100dB perhaps slightly over that at their maximum (if its a respectable club). So lowering this exposure to 60-80dB (about the level of a noisy restaurant or a hair-dryer) would dramatically lower damage.

(I'm studying sound etc in school right now, thats where the references come from)

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Originally posted by Dj_Aaron_P I'm sorry to have to bust you again lol. These lower the sound decibels by 20dB, a DRAMATIC amount. Most clubs wont get near 120dB because then NO one would be able to hear anything and everyone would be in pain (for reference, a jet taking off produces about 120dB worth of sound at 200ft away). I would think that most clubs are somewhere around 80-100dB perhaps slightly over that at their maximum (if its a respectable club).

Hate to bust your bubble, but Ive been working in clubs for years.

Have seen the dB readouts on accurate meters...... have seen them as much as @124dB on the dancefloor (not when I have been mixing I might add), and the average SPL is far far in excess of 100dB. No club will be at 80dB- with a densely packed room thats just not enough.

Ive also seen may managers doctor the figures for health and safety reasons.

I use the custom ones (www.hearingprotection.co.uk) and I will not set foot in a club, bar with loud music or anywhere similar without earplugs.
i also wont dj without them

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Originally posted by Freak Hate to bust your bubble, but Ive been working in clubs for years. Have seen the dB readouts on accurate meters...... have seen them as much as @124dB on the dancefloor (not when I have been mixing I might add), and the average SPL is far far in excess of 100dB. No club will be at 80dB- with a densely packed room thats just not enough. Ive also seen may managers doctor the figures for health and safety reasons. I use the custom ones (www.hearingprotection.co.uk) and I will not set foot in a club, bar with loud music or anywhere similar without earplugs. i also wont dj without them

Alright. So you got me on the numbers a little bit. Good for you. My main point in this discussion, is that these earphones, and others similar, WILL help tremendously in protecting your hearing....you can argue the numbers a little if you want, the evidence is still there.

Clubs that I frequent care a little more about their patrons and don't allow sound levels to get that close to 124dB....thats just irresponsible.

I may not have YEARS of club experience like you, but I've got my fair share...enough to make accurate statements such as these.

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Im not arguing at all- hence my previous threads in the past on my own personal plugs and hearing protection in general.

You are preaching to the converted mate- ive been using them for years in some form or another.

I could tell you what the SPL reading last saturday was at one of the UK's best venues, (people on here who know me know where I work from time to time) but im not one to name names. It peaked (not averaged )in excess of 130 at one point when dj muppet whacked the master up (and it wasnt even on full pelt).
Most Djs dont care- and that includes A list ones- what the system is whacking onto the floor- they just whack the master up. Ive constantly had to turn it down for some of these big guys when they have it too high. Probably because most of them have severe hearing damage already.
The monitors are arguably just as bad if not worse.

Yes its that bad- I think its shocking personally.

Its all gone a bit Pete Tong. Cracking film- but with a serious message in it!

hey aaron..

i think in your db quotes you are a little misled.

a pa top box of high efficiency will output a peak of 131db@1meter.

so sure. the sound will be lower at a distance. but very few venues have thier speakers placed further than two meters from the liteners heads. every meter the db level lowers by three so minus 6db. leaves 125db of screaming high freqs coming from that massive 2" comp driver.. imagine eight of these boxes in a 200 capacity place?

now 20db of attenuation is stated- leaving you to deal with 105db! but in 'perfect conditions'....

every time you knock them, take em out and not put them in again properly etc. the attenuation is lower than 20db.

im saying that from my experience with loud noise, it is the high/mid frequencies at high volumes which definately cause tinnitus. a low frequency bass at high output will cause deafness but will definatly not deliver tinnitus.

er-20 earplugs state a flat attenuation but obviously are more efficient at lowering levels of high and mid than low freqs.




to be more clear.. to mix at 90-125db unprotected you will suffer tinnitus and hearing loss - fact. the time it takes just depends on how susepable you are.

to mix at 85-105db - protected you will still be a lot safer than unprotected people. but will still be damaging your ears. fact is you are a lot less likely to induce tinnitus from the highs the plugs filter out..

jeese i rote a lot!

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Originally posted by Freak Im not arguing at all- hence my previous threads in the past on my own personal plugs and hearing protection in general. You are preaching to the converted mate- ive been using them for years in some form or another. I could tell you what the SPL reading last saturday was at one of the UK's best venues, (people on here who know me know where I work from time to time) but it would probably scare you and im not one to name names anyway. Most Djs dont care- and that includes A list ones- what the system is whacking onto the floor- they just whack the master up. Ive constantly had to turn it down for some of these big guys when they have it too high. Probably because most of them have severe hearing damage. The monitors are arguably just as bad if not worse. Yes its that bad- I think its shocking personally. Its all gone a bit Pete Tong. Cracking film- but with a serious message in it!

HAHA I agreee, what a strange yet wonderful movie. Yea, it just makes me angry when these powerhouse clubs dont realize what they're doing to their patrons....

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I bought some like 4 weeks ago.. can't wait to try them in a club.

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Originally posted by Fëanor I bought some like 4 weeks ago.. can't wait to try them in a club.

theyre really good for the money and will probably make things easier to mix in loud environments.

im also looking forward to using mine out mixing on my next set.

rich

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Originally posted by richg101 hey aaron.. i think in your db quotes you are a little misled. a pa top box of high efficiency will output a peak of 131db@1meter. so sure. the sound will be lower at a distance. but very few venues have thier speakers placed further than two meters from the liteners heads. every meter the db level lowers by three so minus 6db. leaves 125db of screaming high freqs coming from that massive 2" comp driver.. imagine eight of these boxes in a 200 capacity place? now 20db of attenuation is stated- leaving you to deal with 105db! but in 'perfect conditions'.... every time you knock them, take em out and not put them in again properly etc. the attenuation is lower than 20db. im saying that from my experience with loud noise, it is the high/mid frequencies at high volumes which definately cause tinnitus. a low frequency bass at high output will cause deafness but will definatly not deliver tinnitus. er-20 earplugs state a flat attenuation but obviously are more efficient at lowering levels of high and mid than low freqs. to be more clear.. to mix at 90-125db unprotected you will suffer tinnitus and hearing loss - fact. the time it takes just depends on how susepable you are. to mix at 85-105db - protected you will still be a lot safer than unprotected people. but will still be damaging your ears. fact is you are a lot less likely to induce tinnitus from the highs the plugs filter out.. jeese i rote a lot!

yup we've already covered the numbers subject. My numbers are not concrete and obviously vary from club to club because of managers and setup. Thats been discussed already.

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Originally posted by Dj_Aaron_P Thats been discussed already.

sorry for barging in

you need to chill winstarn!

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