Dont really feel the need to, also its annoying when you get a vinyl cover that has black marker pen all over it!

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You should know around what BPM your tracks are though. You don't want to say mix a song that is 130 BPM with something that is 138 or closer to 140, too big of a difference and it clashes. You can usually tell by the style, so technically you don't need a BPM counter, but you do need to know around what BPM your tracks are. A good DJ needs to know this. I don't use vinly anymore but I've been into this music for so long that I can tell by listening to the songs what BPM of certain tracks is around and what tracks mix in better than others. I do write down the BPM of my tracks though, esp now since I have MixMeister and CDJs and MixMeister calculates all the BPM of each track, so you just have round to find the BPM, because it is very exact and when your mixing on CDJs or TTs it's not going to be exact. Deep, progressive tunes are usually 127 to 134 BPM, after that is the more epic variety, from around 135 to 142. Past that is the harder and techier stuff. You just have to know your tunes really...

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Originally posted by Zild I do, but I don't have any problems beatmatching. I use it only for set programming.

+1

The labeling has nothing to do with the actual beatmatching...
A trained ear is faster and more accurate than anything.

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nope.

ya, key and bpm always. i write it on cds and on a removable white sticker on the vinyl @ the 12oclock position when the 1st beat comes in.

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No, because I don't match by numbers, I match by sounds.

And writing down the bpm for categorization purposes is a lame excuse if I've ever heard one - whatever happened to just knowing the record? I have well over a thousand tracks and I have each one memorized.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 No, because I don't match by numbers, I match by sounds. And writing down the bpm for categorization purposes is a lame excuse if I've ever heard one - whatever happened to just knowing the record? I have well over a thousand tracks and I have each one memorized.

How are you supposed to mix in key without knowing the bpm of tracks?

I do, sometimes. Most of the time, I never get around to it. But, it does help with organization.

I don't do it, but I could definitely see why you should do both BPM listing as well as frequency listing.

You need to know the pitch of the song to harmonically mix.

You need to know the BPM so you know that if you are raising the BPM, you will in fact change the pitch of the song.

Does anyone know the formula offhand as to how much BPM change raises how much in pitch???

The BPM is not what you mix by!

I've had mixes in traktor 3 where one is 138.9 and one is 139.4 and they're matched perfectly.

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Originally posted by seven.dj Does anyone know the formula offhand as to how much BPM change raises how much in pitch???

you can calcute it because +6 pitch is +6% and this you can calcute from the bpm...

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Originally posted by SpecRadio The BPM is not what you mix by! I've had mixes in traktor 3 where one is 138.9 and one is 139.4 and they're matched perfectly.

I don't get what you wanna tell us?