Originally posted by Radagast
Ironically, if you had ever taken a philosophy class in your life you probably wouldn't have been stupid enough to "come up" with your idea, aka take your philosophy cues from a movie, copy them, and pretend they're your own original brainfart.
Looks like you got your concept of IRONY all wrong, besides you read wrong.....I got this IDEA from the movie I watched I didnt COME UP with theory all I wanted to know what other peoples thoughts on this were!?!?
So next time do a double take before you go off ranting!!!
Thank You an HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!
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Last edited by likittysplit on Dec-23-2005 at 23:15
Originally posted by Morpehus
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real?
What if you were unable to wake from that dream, Neo? How would you know the difference between the dreamworld and the real world?
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Dec-24-2005 03:00
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i use to lucid dream but i started to get really bad sleep paralysis and it freaked the shit out of me
Dec-24-2005 04:14
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First locate the core of the dream. Then build a probe and send it in to see what you find... Settlers of Kataan?
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Dec-24-2005 15:02
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mmmmz interesting read.
I've had a couple of dreams, where I knew it was a dream. but still it was so real, but then again surreal. allmost if I could feel the real deal.
1 time I woke up. because i had work. but I fell back to sleep, but it was so weird I wanted to continue the dream I woke up from. and it worked it just continued. never saw anything like that.
but why would we be a dream? if you say we are a dream because we are dead, wouldn't that other life (when you weren't dead) be another dream too? and why would someone (or some form/or energy) allows us to dream? isn't that a useless storage of energy/power?
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Dec-24-2005 16:09
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On the one hand you distinguish between "dreams" and "waking life" (which I would interpret to mean "consciousness") in your post, on the other had you suggest that we cannot distinguish between our "dreams" and "waking life". Which is it? If dreams and waking life are - for all intents and purposes - indistinguishable, then doesn't that render the question of whether or not we're actually dreaming right now completely meaningless, seeing as they amount to the same thing? If they are distinguishable, then on what grounds could you possibly contend that the illusion of "waking life" is actually a "dream"? Wouldn't there be some incongruities between the two that would allow us to discern which it is that we're actually experiencing? If we're only experiencing a dream right now, then what differences are there between our "dreaming world" and the "real world"? What can the "real world" possibly refer to, other than the world in which we currently find ourselves engaged?
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Dec-24-2005 16:41
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Wouldn't there be some incongruities between the two that would allow us to discern which it is that we're actually experiencing?
Isn't the fundamental characterstic of a dream that you do not question incongruities?
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Dec-24-2005 17:47
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Isn't the fundamental characterstic of a dream that you do not question incongruities?
So if I were to begin questioning incongruities right now, then that would constitute incontrovertable proof that I am not actually "dreaming" at the moment?
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So if I were to begin questioning incongruities right now, then that would constitute incontrovertable proof that I am not actually "dreaming" at the moment?
I experience two distinct dream awareness states.
Lucid dreaming (where I am aware of incongruities and as a result I evaluate my state as "I must be dreaming" (roughly 5% of my dreams) and
standard dreaming (where I am not aware of incogruities and as a result would evaluate my state as "awake", where I just take everything at face value)
I am still dreaming regardless of the awareness.
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