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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I wish I had a great leader here like Bush so that I could be protected against those evil muslims too.

canada who said anything about "evil muslims"? ordinary muslims are not the enemies, its the radicals that are a problem. and there are mosques out there who help them out in one way or another, so i see no problem in keeping an eye on them, atleast doing radiation checks for crying out loud.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I wish I had a great leader here like Bush so that I could be protected against those evil muslims too.

you islamo-fascist apologists continue to deny the fact that the ones who BOMBED THE WTC and BOMBED LONDON and COMMIT ACTS OF TERRORISM are all MUSLIMS

I say let the US government spy all they want on mosques and suspicious islamofascists living anywhere in the US

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Might as well jus throw all the muslims into a camp just like what the Nazi did to the jews.

whats funny is that the entire muslim middle east wouldn't hesistate for a second to throw all the israelis and jews into the world into the same death camp thanks to islam

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Originally posted by Jake Benson God damnit! I wrote this BIG reply and then when I hit sent, it said I wasn't logged in and all of my reply was gone. shaolin_z, this is a great argument, and I'll be back. I just gotta sleep on the fact that I wasted 20 minutes for nothing. =(

Take your time.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson In the meanwhle, I found out that we both like Solarstone! Nice. =)

Cool, yeah, they're pretty good.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer and again and again they wonder why muslims hate them and their freedom. Might as well jus throw all the muslims into a camp just like what the Nazi did to the jews.

You take a bunch of jews and one arab and the arab will walk away alive.
you take a bunch of arabs and throw in a jew... the arabs walk away with bloody hands.
this is reality.

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Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef You take a bunch of jews and one arab and the arab will walk away alive. you take a bunch of arabs and throw in a jew... the arabs walk away with bloody hands. this is reality.

You're right.

And hardcore trancer your comments are in bad taste, especially since you live in one of the most ethnic cities in the world. (All be it one of the most boring cities also) but still.

The Bush comments are also old, ya he's a tard but he's there to stay so you mid aswell get cozy and trying to find some positive in Mr. Bush's madness or it'll be a tough few years.

Believe it or not, all this secret spying is probably approved by a lot of Americans (they probably secretely or disceretly agree and just put on a dignified face to make it seem they believe everyone is equal).

Racial profiling is a problem, it's definately a bad thing, but remember who the majority of Americans are, (hint: not muslims) and remember who was elected and given the executive power to protect the majority of Americans (hint: He isn't a muslim either, and he's kinda dumb).

American politics to us Canadians = Take it or leave it.

I was a big Bush hater during the election in '04, now I realize I mid aswell try to see some good in what he's doing. (even though his means are at times barbaric and dastardly).

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Originally posted by sponger canada who said anything about "evil muslims"? ordinary muslims are not the enemies, its the radicals that are a problem. and there are mosques out there who help them out in one way or another, so i see no problem in keeping an eye on them, atleast doing radiation checks for crying out loud.

Oridnery muslims do go to the musque believe it or not,so why should they have to go through this shit?

It is just sad to see that alot of people are ok with this whole idea.

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Originally posted by Erotic Buddha you islamo-fascist apologists continue to deny the fact that the ones who BOMBED THE WTC and BOMBED LONDON and COMMIT ACTS OF TERRORISM are all MUSLIMS

ok lets talk about "facts"

how many of those muslims where from Saudi Arabia again?
and why noone went after the Saudi's for answer?

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I say let the US government spy all they want on mosques and suspicious islamofascists living anywhere in the US

spying on mosques is like giving a big finger to the whole religion.Dont be surprised if they do attack again in the future is because of actions like these that make them committ such acts.

All this will do is that it will create more hate toward the west and more terrorism.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That is no excuse to spy on EVERYONE!

I wasn’t advocating spying on everyone, just all of the Muslims and Islams since EVERY person who blows themselves up happens to be (get ready for this), exclusively and only in that category. It’s a reasonable excuse. If there are law abiding all-American people of Arab descent, then they should have NOTHING to worry about.

The government is looking for radiation. My god, how bad can it be if you are Muslim and you are being checked for radiation? Oh no. Discrimination. Let's make them feel better by checking everyone. You never know what those little Scandinavian girls are up to these days!

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If that subcategory was significantly large, then yes it could make some sense. I don't think below 0.1 % qualifies.

Good point. Let’s see if these people who bow themselves up belong to any other category:

Jews: 0%
Christians: 0%
Asians: 0%
Gays/Lesbians: 0%

I shall reiterate (sorry) that those who blow themselves up belong to only this category: Muslim/Islam. Should the U.S. waste time and polish their spying with some P.C. and spy on all of the almost 300,000,000 people living in the US? No, just those who are Muslim/Islam, which is the ONLY demographic these people fit.

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I don't see what your ignorant broad generalization of the Middle East has to do with this.

Ignorant broad generalization? What…that the Middle East hates the US, Jews, gays and women? You’re so right. How could I be so blind?

Only HALF of the Middle East hates women. The other half ARE the women who are slaved by the men.

Only ALL Middle Eastern countries except Israel (and Turkey if you count them) hates the Jews and imposes restrictions on their rights, communication and property ownerships.

Being gay is ILLEGAL in EVERY Middle Eastern country (except for Israel, Jordan and maybe Iraq). If you are caught being gay in Bahrain, Iran*, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia*, Syria, United Arab Emirates*, or Yemen*, you will be sent to jail, or killed*.

So no, my statement isn’t ignorant, but it sure does cater to a broad area full of barbaric people.

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I'm against the Goverment spying on ANYONE without enough compelling evidence and a proper warrant, Muslims or not.

This is where our opinions differ. I’m totally for it under certain circumstances.

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And?!?!?!?!?! So if it's a minority it's acceptable? Nonsense! Using your "they were from this group" logic, that would be the rational conclusion.

How can America spy on 50% of it’s population. It’s easier to narrow it down to a much smaller group that we ALL know terrorists come from.

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No, it does apply. Just becuase the terrorists happen to be Arabs doesn't mean that all Arab and Muslims should be suspects. Innocent until proved guilty (in this case, conspiring to plan an attack). 9-11 wasn't religiously motivated ok. It was a tragic result of far worse/more injustices suffered because of US foreign policy, so stop giving me this mindless bullshit about how Islam is the cause.

Ok, so whether or not it’s religiously motivated, these Arabs were “sleepers,” and acted like completely normal American people. So I think the US should spy on other people so maybe we can catch more sleepers. I’m all for spying. And I’m not giving you mindless bullshit about how Islam is the cause. I am saying (for the millionth time now), that everyone who has blown her or himself up belongs to the category of Muslim/Islam. I never said that the religion of Islam itself causes people to blow themselves up, so calm down.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Oridnery muslims do go to the musque believe it or not,so why should they have to go through this shit?

Muslims who blow themselves up ALSO go to the Mosques believe it or not. It's those morons that ruin it for the rest of them.

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Originally posted by Erotic Buddha you islamo-fascist apologists continue to deny the fact that the ones who BOMBED THE WTC and BOMBED LONDON and COMMIT ACTS OF TERRORISM are all MUSLIMS I say let the US government spy all they want on mosques and suspicious islamofascists living anywhere in the US

Bingo! And agreed.