Originally posted by Floorwhore
If it means a decrease in gun violence/murders - then fuckin eh.
Find a field to take a piss in. Cant find one? Hold it in....
Who cares really if they are watching you through CCTV? If you got nothing to hide then no need to worry. I am willing to give up my privacy (in public space) if it means a reduction in violence. These idiots who think they can just pull out guns anywhere must be brought to justice.
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Dec-29-2005 19:30
nadezhda
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i don't litter, loiter, or pee in alleyways, so i would have no problem with it. i don't know if it's necessarily going to fix anything though. but it might help. and frankly, i don't feel like getting shot, thanks.
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Dec-29-2005 19:37
torontobarfly
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Registered: Dec 2002
Location: shady acres retirement home
quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
But what if you do get caught having a leak and they use the footage against you?
I will postulate that EVERYONE eventually breaks the law in some form. Whether it's speeding or peeing in the ally. Do you really want big brother watching your EVERY move?
I dont.
everyone eventually breaks the law?? umm, no they don't...an incredibly low percentage of the downtown population breaks even the tamest of laws...giving you the the right to piss in an alley worry free of being carted off to prison is more important than finding a solution to lowering violent crimes in our city?? were you drunk when you came up with this angle or are you just really stretching here in hopes of fanning the flames of this thread?
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Dec-29-2005 19:41
Misanthrope
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A third world country couldn't possibly afford survelliance.
Dec-29-2005 19:47
DigDeep
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario
quote:
Originally posted by beatjunkie
A third world country couldn't possibly afford survelliance.
Originally posted by beatjunkie
A third world country couldn't possibly afford survelliance.
LOL
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Dec-29-2005 20:09
muzzybear
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Location: Werd to the Berd
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Originally posted by dEsidEL
yes they should .. i had to pee in an alleyway in London rite infront of a CCTV cam .. i juss smiled at it and waved hello
hahaha! Hilarious!
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Dec-29-2005 20:11
hardcore trancer
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto,Canada
This wont solve anything imo.These criminals will take their business elsewhere.AS jay already said we need to solve this problems by its roots aka make the black community to get more involved and go after the thugs and face the fact that this is mainly happening in the balck community.
Originally posted by torontobarfly
everyone eventually breaks the law?? umm, no they don't...an incredibly low percentage of the downtown population breaks even the tamest of laws
I would say that the majority of all humans have broken one law or another....J-walking or say spittying or littering....just because no one enforces many laws doesn't mean they haven't been broken. I gotta agree with Jay here....eventually we all break a law.
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Dec-29-2005 20:15
torontobarfly
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Location: shady acres retirement home
well his argument is that "big brother" is going to nail you for pissing in an alley, or j-walking, or littering because of these cameras....do you really think with the amount of people on city streets and the shortage of cops that they're going to have the resources for this or even care...it's a lame argument imo...
serious crime fell 30% the first year england started their city camera program...that's an amazing stat...i'm yet to hear the stats on arrests for j-walking, littering or public urination...
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Dec-29-2005 20:37
VERTiG0
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: no longer Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
No, and ESPECIALLY NOT GATSOS.
Dec-29-2005 20:40
MarkT
Automatic Static
Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Toronto
quote:
Originally posted by torontobarfly
ditto.
I'd like to see evidence (rather than "I heard of people...") of people being actively pursued and prosecuted for pissing in an alley or littering.
I still don't think cameras everywhere is the answer though...in certain areas, like the club district, sure...go ahead. But peppering the whole downtown core with them is overkill, IMHO.
I also think we ought to be able to walk around in public space without being filmed 24/7...unnecessary.
solve the gun/gang problem...but don't film ALL OF US just to do so.
umm, no they don't...an incredibly low percentage of the downtown population breaks even the tamest of laws...giving you the the right to piss in an alley worry free of being carted off to prison is more important than finding a solution to lowering violent crimes in our city?? were you drunk when you came up with this angle or are you just really stretching here in hopes of fanning the flames of this thread? 
