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Originally posted by tiesto14 here we go again .... I support the war in Afghanistan....as most people know......and i will also support the war in Iraq and Somalia..when they come forth...... Because of this War , Afhanistan has become a BETTER place to live then it was under Taliban rule...THATS a FACT.....and u can thank the war for this...... Pacifists in general are not realists........there will NEVER be a world without war..it is impossible aslong as Religion, Money, Greed, and Power are around....you get rid of all 4 things and maybe you have a slight chance of a world without war...but even then it is most likely impossible...

Hm I try to think about the reasons for conflicts. Money is papaer and metal after all, "Power" and "greed" belong together and can be summed up as Jealousy I think...And Religion is just an excuse for war. But needs its place in our world as long as fear exists.
I'd say that without fear and jeaoulsy there'd be no war. That would aslo mean that we'd loose humanity, since those are some of our most significant characteristics...Which once again says that war IS natural.

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Im just afraid that Ive provoked a new longest post ever by Renegade
But i enjoy his essays, hes some smart fella

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Originally posted by TranceGiant A simpler example. Some1 enters your house and says "hi there , thats mine now" or just comes to you pulls a knife and wants your money. If u have a, lets say aistol, with you..What will you do?

But it's not as easy as that. How about :

"You own an empty house, one day you decide to move your stuff in but as you're doing it somebody comes up and says "hey mate, that's my house". So you sit down and talk about it in a civil way, you claim that the house it yours because it was origianlly owned by your mothers great aunt and passed down through the generations to yourself. The other guy argues that yes you are correct, but your great aunt obtained the property by driving his ancestors out a long time ago, and that they built it."

Not so clear cut now.

And those who are saying that a world without war is impossible; sorry but that just goes against everything that Western beliefs and culture are supposed to be about! The whole reason this campaign was started is because we're trying to create a world where people with different beliefs can co-exist without interferring with each other and fighting. If we say it's impossible then what's the point? Might as well just nuke Afghanistan and congratulate ourselves on the money we saved.

except that the US will not drop a nuke, there is too much valuable oil in the region.

Nice Story Spad..nice but DIFFERENT . Do you think that im inventing examples for fun? I said on purpose that this guys enters your house surprisnigly while lets say.. while youre watching TV in your living room, pulls a pistol and wants ya to leave the what he calls "HIS house from now on". Just in order to gain new territory, have your cd's or whatever..
I repeat that VIOLENCE is the very last measure, but completely abonding it is just dangerous as well. History repeats itself, and as much has our civilization has achieved, it cant change the human itself. (again egoism greed jealousy and fear) Yes the human rights, The United Nations Organisation, Democracy, Emancipation, free speech...Very nice but has not a lot to do with basic instincts of our species. I , too, think that the Democratic Western will collapse in some hundred years as the resistance against the globalisation will grow more and more. What happened in Russia 100 years ago is gonna happen in bigger dimensions as for the Third World against the Western World..
But thats another story

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Originally posted by TranceGiant What happened in Russia 100 years ago is gonna happen in bigger dimensions as for the Third World against the Western World.. But thats another story

War against the western world...?????

Anyway... what you've posted PREVIOUSLY makes some sense...

I'm against war....but....That's not a reality...cuz there will always be war...it's been there throughout history, and will remain until the end.

Defence is a whole other discussion..

I don't feel like talking about this now.....
LaTer

The war is good and just not only for obvious reasons but also as a reflection of the fact that the world has finally become aware of a global threat it hasn't perceived before. Who knows what kind of a bigger, more dangerous catastrophe could have been in the making, by these fanatics...?


United they were much more dangerous. Now at least their camps are destroyed and their units are disintegrated, many senior terrorists were killed. As a side effect, Afghanistan is a better place.

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Originally posted by Eugene The war is good and just not only for obvious reasons but also as a reflection of the fact that the world has finally become aware of a global threat it hasn't perceived before. Who knows what kind of a bigger, more dangerous catastrophe could have been in the making, by these fanatics...? United they were much more dangerous. Now at least their camps are destroyed and their units are disintegrated, many senior terrorists were killed. As a side effect, Afghanistan is a better place.

Oh god. this is exactly what they want you to think. exactly what most people think. that "terrorism" is a huge threat we have to stamp out.

It's impossible! may as well try to eliminate jealousy, or anger! it just isn't possible. and the more you attack them, the more they feel justified in attacking back.

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Originally posted by RavingLunatic Oh god. this is exactly what they want you to think. exactly what most people think. that "terrorism" is a huge threat we have to stamp out. It's impossible! may as well try to eliminate jealousy, or anger! it just isn't possible. and the more you attack them, the more they feel justified in attacking back.

Well, let's be realistic here.
The reason why they were able to pull of the 9-11 attacks (which, by the way, were planned for 5 years) was because of a wealth of resources that this organization had. It was actually a unit, it had structure and divisions, and money, and finances, and camps. They had special training schools, chemists, etc.

If it was just a bunch of loosely organized people they wouldn't be able to carry out such a huge attack.

Can you stamp out THAT? Of course. You have well-defined positions to bomb.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Nice Story Spad..nice but DIFFERENT . Do you think that im inventing examples for fun? I said on purpose that this guys enters your house surprisnigly while lets say.. while youre watching TV in your living room, pulls a pistol and wants ya to leave the what he calls "HIS house from now on". Just in order to gain new territory, have your cd's or whatever..

Hehe yeah I know, sorry. I was just trying to say that it's not always as simple as one country suddenly deciding they want what belongs to another country and that they're going to take it by force.

edit: I'm with Eugene by the way, it's not pleasent but what's the alternative? Sit back and wait for it to happen again in another 5 years? Except next time they'd have about 4 times as many people devoted to their cause.