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| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Iran has one of world's largest oil resources but still they are dependant on outside world for their oil suply need. Why? Because they dont have large scale oil distillation technology. If US rapes Iran than Iran's petrol pumps will be the first to run out of gas.
So they are dependent on countries who import oil from them and than export it back to Iran in refined form. |
This is true with most Arab oil/arab nations too. Saudi Arabia does nto refine its crude, it is done mostly elsewhere. However Saudi is not building nuclear plants. Why does Iran not build refiners before nuclear weapons if that is important for their economy?
The real arugment for nuclear energy would be to allow Iran's economy to shift from oil to nuclear so they could sell their oil at high prices to the rest of the world while using renewable and fairly affordable energy at home.
Contraty to the above however, Iran is a net exporter of oil, not a nex importer.
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This Russia uranium enrichment scheme is exactly the same thing. They will be dependant on Russia all their lives for providing enriched uranium to them, to run their facilities and economy.
Things dont work like this. You are running a country and not a company where you outsource your processes to other countries.
Who will gaurantee them enriched uranium when Russia goes blank like they did with Ukraine recently? Or you want Iran to sit without electricity and energy till Russia starts enriching uranium again for them.
Iran wants to be independant, and have an independant and reliable source of long term energy demands which is growing everyday. |
Thats one of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard. Iran has limited natrual uranium deposits, therefore it depends on other nations for uranium ore. In addition, Iran imports most of the computers, technology, machinary, parts, concrete, steel, and knowledge needed to run an operate nuclear facilities. Having Russia supply low-level enriched uranium is a compromise that should be acceptable. If it is price or additional supply that Iran is worried about it should have raised that issue, not cut open the IAEA seals!
Further the Russian proposal "was based on the establishment of a "joint Iran-Russia company on Russian soil"1 thus ensuring Russia the inability to play prices wars with Uranium ore as Iran could justifily seize those facilities.
1. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2005122...annuclearrussia
In short, the supply chain for nuclear energy is much greater than simply enriched ore; in one way or another Iran will always depend on other nations for its nuclear program.
If Iran were any other nation, Spain, Greece, Turkey, New Zealand for example none of the world would have any trouble abotut them enriching uranium on their soil. However since Iran is what it is; fanatically, sabre rattling, in bed with terrorist, reppressive, and very unstable in the geopolitical realm, the world asks of it to be forthright and accept a compromise on what it can do.
The fact that Iran has reject such a demand prove that it has no intention of soley creating a nuclear energy program but a nuclear arms program. I'm not exactly sure why you want to be in denial over this matter...
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Look at what santions did to Iraq, thousands of kids killed by starvation/lack of medical supplies etc. I don't think sanctions would really work and they'll have horrible consequences like Iraq. Military strikes? Are you out of your f'n mind? |
Yes, that was one consequence. However sanctions did work in Iraq - they did not have a working WMD program. Sanctions might embolded the citizens to uprise agains their government to avoid such atrocities as Saddam allowed to happen in his Iraq.
It is not the fault of the world, or the Iranians that Iran chose courses of action which left the world with little choice to place sanctions due to Iran's nuclear arms ambitions. If Iran would have wanted to avoid these sanctions and still does, they can come back to the negotiating table and be reasonable. Otherwise they have no one to blame but themselves.
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Exactly, a sanction will only do bad to the innocent ppl, it wont hurt the ppl in power... And a war is obviously out of the question too as long as they don't attack some other country... |
Firstly sanctions might embolden the people to topple such a stupid government. Iranians are smart, there is growing discontent within Iran about the decision to walk away. It is not going down easy in this country. Without the threat of sanctions or war you ensure that Iran will not comply, why should they? Would you?!
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Plus I think sanctions would hit pretty bad on the western world too, as Iran has quite a lot of oil... |
Eh, the world proved it can afford $60 a barrel. Plus we can just all buy Exxon stock  However sometimes politics matter a lot more than short economic gain: a nuclear detonation in the one of the capitals of the western world will have a much larger economic impact then not being able to buy oil from Iran.
And to clarify: proposed sanctions only really mean that no nation will be allowed to sell ARMS or TECHNOLOGY to Iran. They can still buy all the oil they want, as long as Iran still wants to sell it (which they will unless they want to collapse their economy).
We are talking about arm sanctions here people, not oil for food.
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So yeah, just send them a mean mean letter in my opinion... But it's hard cause it gives a signal that it's okay for countries like Iran to develop nuclear weaponds... |
How about we play dead and roll over? No, fetch? yea fetch!
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