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burner69
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Registered: Nov 2005
Location: Cardiff, Wales

It says in that article that if we just use vinyl then we don't have to pay the £200 right? But it also says on a lot of my vinyl "The public performance of this record is prohibited"... so... what? Its illegal to play downloaded files in a club, unless you pay £200, and its illegal to play vinyl... but you don't have to pay the £200...

The whole system is f**ked, especially because everyone I know who's ever mixed at a club has only been payed in drinks during the night... hardly enough to warrant forking out £200 pa.

Old Post Jan-14-2006 12:49  United Kingdom
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sleepydragon
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: doncaster, england

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Originally posted by nrjizer
I may be wrong, but:

If you get this PPL license, does this give you permission to play downloaded mp3's that you didn't purchase?


no it doesnt give a green light to illegal downloading.

As i understand it this only affects people that play there tracks of their laptop if u play tracks on cd u dont need the license


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Old Post Jan-14-2006 14:59  England
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I want to ask that too about the vinyl warning? Why is that displayed on so many vinyls, does it actually mean anything???

I first noticed it on an ID&T Vinyl in bold letters but ive checked and quite a few say that about playing it at live "public performances" WTF

Old Post Jan-15-2006 05:39  Australia
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sr126
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Registered: Aug 2005
Location: los angeles, usa

pretty much all recorded music that is sold has this legal stuff printed on it.

the artist/label pretty much reserves the right to enforce that clause.

kind like at some stores/restaurants will have a sign that says "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." -just because they say they can doesn't mean they will.

it's there to provide the artist/label leverage in court if some sort of dispute went down. it does't mean that they are going to screw you every chance they get, or that should watch your back or anything.

it's no sceret that edm is printed on vinyl for dj's to play at parties. that's the reason why print vinyl in the first place. to be played out in public, to expose the music.

Old Post Jan-15-2006 08:38  United States
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Nic
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by Stu Cox
But that's always been the law!!

As it's always been illegal to make a digital copy of a track, which is what this license is all about... actually allowing DJs to do these things... And remember the license is about what you're allowed to COPY, not what you're allowed to play out (although anything you play out has to have been copied legally)

Don't get me wrong, I think the system they're using is absolutely ridiculous, but THEY HAVEN'T MADE ANYTHING ILLEGAL THAT WASN'T ALREADY.

And most digital download sites say that you can make one CD copy of the track, which is then legal to play out (but it varies so check T&Cs)... so really you're only getting stung if you play off a laptop or the site you got your tunes from doesn't allow a CD copy to be made.

Here's a quote taken straight from the Beatport T&Cs stating that it IS legal to play their tracks out from CD adn the new license doesn't change this:

Trackitdown, however, have this in their T&Cs:

which suggests that the opposite is true for them (although with a digital DJ licence you WOULD be able to)... although Audiojelly also says this but also states that you can burn a CD copy, which under a venue's public performance license you WOULD be able to play out - this is kinda along the same lines as "unauthorised public performance prohibited" being written on vinyl records even though the license the venue has authorises it (thus making it legal).


It may be illegal to make a copy of a track (it isn't in the US because of fair use, and i believe fair use type ammendments to copyright law were just passed in Australia) but if you purchase something from beatport i would hardly view that as copying, and i doubt if tested in a court of law they would rule it copying either.

So basically whats stopping you using beatport or a simmilar service and avoiding this license alltogether? if you arent copying anything you arent breaking the law, nightclubs have a license that allows them to perform copyright works, surely this covers music in any format.

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