The entrapment defense is a subset of duress; it doesn't apply if the crime is committed willingly and without resistance. Chatting someone up online is not duress.

Let these jerks get what's coming to them, I say - the only thing worse than a criminal is a stupid criminal.

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Too often in this world it seems we rather wait for a problem to happen and then go about a solution. Especailly with behavior like this. Instead focusing more on what makes people do horrible things like this and see if it can be prevented "cutting the problem at the root instead of the branches"

Cosidering Dateline probably doesn't plan on doing this thing long term. I don't believe it can make much progress or benefit the masses. Next week they'll find something more scary to keep people tuning in.

What these programs fail to say whether tasteless or not is that most children are abused/kidnapped by someone close to them often in the family! Seems like when it comes to children not many want to listen and they often point all the responsibility elsewhere prefferably strangers, in this case, which also should be caught, but make up a much smaller percentage of the abusers

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Originally posted by Truepioneer Too often in this world it seems we rather wait for a problem to happen and then go about a solution. Especailly with behavior like this. Instead focusing more on what makes people do horrible things like this and see if it can be prevented "cutting the problem at the root instead of the branches" Cosidering Dateline probably doesn't plan on doing this thing long term. I don't believe it can make much progress or benefit the masses. Next week they'll find something more scary to keep people tuning in. What these programs fail to say whether tasteless or not is that most children are abused/kidnapped by someone close to them often in the family! Seems like when it comes to children not many want to listen and they often point all the responsibility elsewhere prefferably strangers, in this case, which also should be caught, but make up a much smaller percentage of the abusers

You make some very good points. But if anyone knew how to cut the root off, someone woulda figured it out by now. There is no way to predict or prevent this kinda behavior, or cure it (with the exception of that family that was aware enough to notice the signs and brought their son who was suspected of abusing his little sister onto the Dr. Phil show and made him admit and get counseling- whether it worked is another story). Some people are just sick bastards. Not one predator can say they are 'cured'- they can only say they manage their urges.

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Originally posted by Truepioneer What these programs fail to say whether tasteless or not is that most children are abused/kidnapped by someone close to them often in the family!

I've never seen this proven. It may be true, but I'd like to see some evidence, even a clearly-defined statistic.

As for addressing the "real" problem, I'm not really sure if there is some larger societal issue that's responsible for child molestation. It's been around for millenia, it just hasn't been under the microscope for quite as long. Even if there were some "root cause" that could be addressed it would likely take decades to repair, and in the meantime, something needs to be done about it.

Child molestation used to require a great deal of premeditation and be difficult to carry out in person because most children tend to be supervised most of the time. It's far too easy for these people to find victims on the Internet because the process is inherently selective; most kids in chat rooms are already unsupervised in their online activities.

All that parents can do to prevent this is to become technologically savvy and monitor what their kids do online, and this is already happening with time since more and more parents today grew up with computers. However, the molesters are still criminals, and good parenting is not mutually exclusive with the police doing their jobs and catching the criminals.

Dateline may not be doing this every week as a long-term solution, but you can rest assured that many police departments nationwide conduct similar activities on a regular basis.

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Entrapment applies when the perpetrator is actually aware that the other party is truly a law enfrocement officer, i.e. when a cop tries to buy drugs from someone.

Also, if predators watch this show and are discouraged from the practice, that may just be one more child's life that is saved. Sorry if you feel they are being coaxed into a situation where there is no real little boy for them to abuse.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I've never seen this proven. It may be true, but I'd like to see some evidence, even a clearly-defined statistic.

Hmmm....suprised you never heard of this please read on. It mostly deals with the kidnapping aspect but goes into sexual assault abit aswell. Yes, I know, it's is abit old (2000) I'll post something more recent when I find it:

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According to the United States Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice Delinquency Prevention Juvenile Justice Bulletin, June 2000 Kidnapping makes up less than 2 percent of all violent crimes against juveniles reported to police. Based on the identity of the perpetrator, there are three distinct types of kidnapping: kidnapping by a relative of the victim or "family kidnapping" (49 percent), kidnapping by an acquaintance of the victim or "acquaintance kidnapping" (27 percent), and kidnapping by a stranger to the victim or "stranger kidnapping" (24 percent). Family kidnapping is committed primarily by parents, involves a larger percentage of female perpetrators (43 percent) than other types of kidnapping offenses, occurs more frequently to children under 6, equally victimizes juveniles of both sexes, and most often originates in the home. Acquaintance kidnapping has features that suggest it should not be lumped with stranger kidnapping into the single category of non-family kidnapping, as has been done in the past. Acquaintance kidnapping involves a comparatively high percentage of juvenile perpetrators, has the largest percentage of female and teenage victims, is more often associated with other crimes (especially sexual and physical assault), occurs at homes and residences, and has the highest percentage of injured victims. Stranger kidnapping victimizes more females than males, occurs primarily at outdoor locations, victimizes both teenagers and school-age children, is associated with sexual assaults in the case of girl victims and robberies in the case of boy victims (although not exclusively so), and is the type of kidnapping most likely to involve the use of a firearm. If any other segment of our population were so impacted, we would declare an epidemic: the center for disease control would fund a cure; we would pass and enforce legislation and we would increase private and public security. But, since it is only our children many in our society accept these appalling numbers as status quo. Although there are no quick fixes to the problems of child safety, there are many things that we can do as adults to address and positively impact the issue.

So most Sexual assaults would be caused by someone close to the child ex. aquaintance.

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Dateline's pedophile trapping show is on tonight at 9pm. I'm SO setting my VCR to record!!! It'll be really hard prying myself away from the tube to watch this....

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Originally posted by Truepioneer Too often in this world it seems we rather wait for a problem to happen and then go about a solution. Especailly with behavior like this. Instead focusing more on what makes people do horrible things like this and see if it can be prevented "cutting the problem at the root instead of the branches" Cosidering Dateline probably doesn't plan on doing this thing long term. I don't believe it can make much progress or benefit the masses. Next week they'll find something more scary to keep people tuning in. What these programs fail to say whether tasteless or not is that most children are abused/kidnapped by someone close to them often in the family! Seems like when it comes to children not many want to listen and they often point all the responsibility elsewhere prefferably strangers, in this case, which also should be caught, but make up a much smaller percentage of the abusers

I'd agree with much of that...in addition to those stats, I'm sure most organizations who deal with abuse and abduction cases would confirm that, in the vast majority of cases, the offender is known to the child or at least the family. It's naturally far easier to take advantage of someone with whom a person already has a trust relationship of some sort.

While there's certainly some merit in nailing people like this...is this type of project *really* that productive? so they get a few people off the street? How much do these operations cost vs. funding a city-wide (or province/state-wide or national) education program geared towards kids and parents? It's good in theory and intention...I'm just unconvinced at the overall effectiveness.

btw...I wonder how prevalent it is that 12 yr. olds actually DO meet with strangers...while not rare, I'm blown away that so many kids would do this (and that their parents wouldn't know or care). Jeez...when I was 12, my mom knew where I was 24/7!!!

it's a shame that there is ZERO control on who can become a parent...if a 12 yr. old is able to hook up with strangers, that's partially a failure on the part of their parent(s), IMHO. it's also a shame that programs like this are even needed to compensate for that lack of parenting and attention.

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Originally posted by Truepioneer Too often in this world it seems we rather wait for a problem to happen and then go about a solution. Especailly with behavior like this. Instead focusing more on what makes people do horrible things like this and see if it can be prevented "cutting the problem at the root instead of the branches" Cosidering Dateline probably doesn't plan on doing this thing long term. I don't believe it can make much progress or benefit the masses. Next week they'll find something more scary to keep people tuning in. What these programs fail to say whether tasteless or not is that most children are abused/kidnapped by someone close to them often in the family! Seems like when it comes to children not many want to listen and they often point all the responsibility elsewhere prefferably strangers, in this case, which also should be caught, but make up a much smaller percentage of the abusers

I agree with you when it comes to Moore, and I can understand your points there and there ... but world isn't perfect and there are people who are evil and having a solution just like that wouldn't just be realistic.

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Wow!!

It's a regular procession of perverts.

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