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Originally posted by Pinokio I found it easy to get the key for epic, melodic trance, but for songs that doesnt have an Epic Melody or uplifting, it's harder to find the key.

Very true - if you are listening to part a tune is just percussion then finding a key will be difficult and maybe even impossible (not all tunes are based on conventional keys, although most are).

But then if you're mixing part of a tune that doesn't have a key then it doesn't really matter what key you're mixing it with as if it won't clash with anything (well, not harmonically anyway)! Glad you've got the hang of it!

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Originally posted by est Very true - if you are listening to part a tune is just percussion then finding a key will be difficult and maybe even impossible (not all tunes are based on conventional keys, although most are). But then if you're mixing part of a tune that doesn't have a key then it doesn't really matter what key you're mixing it with as if it won't clash with anything (well, not harmonically anyway)! Glad you've got the hang of it!

Really, I tought All music was made in some key.

Learned something new, Thanks.

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hi everyone....

i've been spinning for about 2 years and key all my tracks. however, i would like some advice as to 'mixing it up'..... keep in mind i don't use the camelot system, just keys.

(assuming all tracks minor) take C minor for example. compatible mixes would be F minor and G minor (similar BPMs)

when listening to armin's ASOT 2005 when he mixed luminary-wasting into markus schulz-first time into max graham-i know you're gone. i really liked the sound of the mix and when i got the tracks and keyed them found out they are in C minor, D# minor and C minor, respectively. can someone please explain to my why, for example, a mix from C minor to D# minor or vice versa would sound good? i know that D# is the third key in c minor scale (i know there is a technical word for this but can't remember ATM). as someone here said before, picking tracks that fit harmincally is half the battle but i would like to expand on mixing to subdominant or dominant all the time. and i have never read anywhere that a mix into the third would sound good, only 4ths and 5ths... so i was quite surprised when this combination sounded really good.

are there other such combinations that would sound good in a mix? any input from you guys would be greatly appreciated... thanks for your time.

-bri

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Originally posted by Pinokio Really, I tought All music was made in some key. Learned something new, Thanks.

Yeah, actually "key" as we know it is just a western thing that was actually developed rather recently. Eastern music developed totally differently...and if you listen to traditional music from the east, or even older traditional stuff from cultures in the west, it's totally not confined to these rules. A lot of times producers exploit this and make a track that's not in a traditional key to make it sound very unformulaic. Particularly in psy-trance this is something people do quite a bit.

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Originally posted by brinboston hi everyone.... i've been spinning for about 2 years and key all my tracks. however, i would like some advice as to 'mixing it up'..... keep in mind i don't use the camelot system, just keys. (assuming all tracks minor) take C minor for example. compatible mixes would be F minor and G minor (similar BPMs) when listening to armin's ASOT 2005 when he mixed luminary-wasting into markus schulz-first time into max graham-i know you're gone. i really liked the sound of the mix and when i got the tracks and keyed them found out they are in C minor, D# minor and C minor, respectively. can someone please explain to my why, for example, a mix from C minor to D# minor or vice versa would sound good? i know that D# is the third key in c minor scale (i know there is a technical word for this but can't remember ATM).

mediant

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as someone here said before, picking tracks that fit harmincally is half the battle but i would like to expand on mixing to subdominant or dominant all the time. and i have never read anywhere that a mix into the third would sound good, only 4ths and 5ths... so i was quite surprised when this combination sounded really good. are there other such combinations that would sound good in a mix? any input from you guys would be greatly appreciated... thanks for your time. -bri

Hmmm....I just listened to those tunes on a sample of that album and they're all in C minor. It's possibility that the keys were twitched (meaning that it wasn't mixed on vinyl ). Not sure though...

great thread guys!
i learned a lot from this.
thanks to everyone who contributed!

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