My guess is 2-3 years.

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Whoa... A lot of assumptions and jumping the gun on Harper by many people. Kinda reminds me of hate time in 1984. The part where you're suppose to hate the pic of the enemy in the TV.

Let's criticize him on what he did and concrete evidences that points to what he will do. (heresays and assumptions don't count)

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

I'm hampered by not having sources, but I think he said that his views on abortion were too complex to explain to Canadians during the campaign.

Newman: What about the issue of same-sex [marriage], I think people are wondering about. You promised to take that to a vote to Parliament. If someone is born gay in Canada, why should they expect to have less access to the institutions of the country and sanctions?

Harper: This is an emotional subject. Some people see it as a rights issue; I see it as an issue of marriage, as an issue of preserving an important traditional institution and I don't think that has to inhibit anyone's choices or their benefits or rights and I don't see it as a rights issue and I guess that's the big divide. And I think we've got to preserve our traditional institutions.

Newman: On the issue of abortion, will you pledge that there will be no legislation on abortion, there will never be a free vote in Parliament on that issue?

Harper: Never is a long time. What I'm saying is I have no desire to see that issue debated in the near future. We're saying very clear in our platform we're not going to support or initiate abortion legislation and frankly I don't want this Parliament to have an abortion debate.

Newman: So to be clear, you support a woman's right to choose?

Harper: I've always said my views on the abortion issue are complex, I don't fall into any of the neat polar extremes on this issue.

Newman: Explain them then if they are complex.

Harper: No, I don't need to because I'm not proceeding with an abortion agenda.

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He also supported the war on Iraq. It's easy to flip-flop now because we just don't have the manpower to spread the army more thinly than it is.

Voter turnout in my riding wa a whopping 50%. Great, the geezer vote won the day. I still don't know who won my riding, but it's still the geezer vote.

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Originally posted by Wurm He also supported the war on Iraq. It's easy to flip-flop now because we just don't have the manpower to spread the army more thinly than it is.

Let's also keep in mind that personal morals do not necessarily reflect on a politician's will to impose it on others. Harper has his views. That's fine. But I think he realizes that he cannot try to force it on others without severe backlash.

As for Canadian military, just this week new rotation of 2000 left for Kandahar and this is a firm commitment in Afghanistan for a while. Even if Canadian public wants CAF in Iraq, (and it won't, unless Harper wants to commit political suicide) CDS and top generals will tell him that this is unsustainable. At least until the army grows enough to sustain 2 large ops at once.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by TrinityGirl I hope not long... he is just such an arrogant man and he is not supporting woman's right to choose so he is a no-no in my books

he has said repeatedly he would NOT open the debate on this. This is just liberal smearing and you fell for it.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 he has said repeatedly he would NOT open the debate on this. This is just liberal smearing and you fell for it.

The way he's stated this though has left it open for a member of parliament to raise the issue for it to be voted on in the house of commons.

If he is in power long enough, the issue will be re-visited. A siginificant number of Conservative MPs have gone on record stating their anti-abortion views.

Newman: On the issue of abortion, will you pledge that there will be no legislation on abortion, there will never be a free vote in Parliament on that issue?

Harper: Never is a long time. What I'm saying is I have no desire to see that issue debated in the near future.

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Originally posted by Skipper The way he's stated this though has left it open for a member of parliament to raise the issue for it to be voted on in the house of commons. If he is in power long enough, the issue will be re-visited. A siginificant number of Conservative MPs have gone on record stating their anti-abortion views. Newman: On the issue of abortion, will you pledge that there will be no legislation on abortion, there will never be a free vote in Parliament on that issue? Harper: Never is a long time. What I'm saying is I have no desire to see that issue debated in the near future.

I would agree with Harper though and I'm not saying that because I'm defending the guy either.
There's a LOT of cleanup to do and that is going to take time; the focus needs to go there first.
If it's brought up too soon it's going to only exasperate things that obviously already in chaos.
He's not saying he's never going to address it, just not now...

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^And if abortion is ever put to bill, it'll be defeated by most libs, BQ, NDP and more centre Conservatives who might even bolt to Libs if Harper forces the issue.

Here's an interesting bit from Criminal Justice Code of Canada
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/42644.html

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223. (1) A child becomes a human being within the meaning of this Act when it has completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother, whether or not (a) it has breathed; (b) it has an independent circulation; or (c) the navel string is severed. (2) A person commits homicide when he causes injury to a child before or during its birth as a result of which the child dies after becoming a human being. R.S., c. C-34, s. 206.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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people worry way too much about the abortion issue.

There is a very large pro-choice concensus in Canada.

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Originally posted by TrinityGirl I hope not long... he is just such an arrogant man and he is not supporting woman's right to choose so he is a no-no in my books

lol fall for any other liberal smear ads? i think i saw a few solders with guns walkin down yonge st this morning too. Abortion's never going to be illegal in canada, and it's sad that you're making your choice of government(or at least excluding tories as a choice) based on harper's personal belief when hes repeatedly said he has no plans to bring it forward and it is not his party's policy. I'm super pro choice, just dont believe all the conspiricy theories about him cause i think he actually wants to lead canada and not force his own agenda on the country. How is he arrogant exactly?

i say we'll have an election in 2.5 years....if harper has kept his word..he'll get a much stronger minority or a slight majority... if hes got this ever so evil hidden agenda then the liberals will hopefully have smartened the fuck up, cleaned up, and will be back in office....so lets see what harper can do!