Ehm, isn't "censoring" by gov institutions illegal by the constitution?

I thought the U.S was a free democractic country?

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This wasn't just a speech given at his Crawford ranch. It was the god damn state of the union. Sheehan would have been a disruption if allowed to be in the same room as the speech. People get off the freedom of speech bullshit. She's been allowed to speak her mind for so long now. She is, however, breaking the law when it comes to a public disturbance. Anyone would have been escorted out. She needs to get a fucking life. I guarantee her son is looking down in embarrassment. He served proudly--he and she knew the consequences of being in the armed services. This repetitive beating a dead horse shit has got to end.

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I am sick of Cindy Sheehan but at the same time I am not. She is one of the few people who are willing to put her ass on the line and take a stand for what she beleives in (rare in this country). But at the same time, I think if it were someone else they could have a greater impact IMO.

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Originally posted by Steven Hays People get off the freedom of speech bullshit. She's been allowed to speak her mind for so long now. She is, however, breaking the law when it comes to a public disturbance. Anyone would have been escorted out.

Since when is wearing a tshirt with a political message public disturbance?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Since when is wearing a tshirt with a political message public disturbance?

She wasn't in a free speech zone!

http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

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Originally posted by Trancer-X She wasn't in a free speech zone! http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

Didn't know about that, that's sick.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Didn't know about that, that's sick.

Tell me about it.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Since when is wearing a tshirt with a political message public disturbance?

And if someone showed up at your house with a banner flying that said "St. Andrew has sex with animals and molests small boys", you wouldn't want them escorted out? Even if they were wearing a coat on top of it? Particularly if you knew it was being broadcast to hundreds of millions of TVs worldwide?

I think you guys are making a bit much of an obvious outcome. Whether she said so or not, I would bet on better than 50% odds that Sheehan would've said or done something during the speech that was disruptive. WHy is it surprising that she would be asked to leave? She's got a track record of public disturbance--why assume that this time she'd behave herself? I certainly wouldn't have wanted her there had I been in charge.

Is your freedom of speech being violated if you shout "BOMB" or "FIRE" in an airport and find yourself under a pile of none-to-happy security officers?

Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily mean you have carte-blanche to say whatever you want, wherever you please, whenever you choose.

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Originally posted by Shakka And if someone showed up at your house with a banner flying that said "St. Andrew has sex with animals and molests small boys", you wouldn't want them escorted out? Even if they were wearing a coat on top of it? Particularly if you knew it was being broadcast to hundreds of millions of TVs worldwide? I think you guys are making a bit much of an obvious outcome. Whether she said so or not, I would bet on better than 50% odds that Sheehan would've said or done something during the speech that was disruptive. WHy is it surprising that she would be asked to leave? She's got a track record of public disturbance--why assume that this time she'd behave herself? I certainly wouldn't have wanted her there had I been in charge. Is your freedom of speech being violated if you shout "BOMB" or "FIRE" in an airport and find yourself under a pile of none-to-happy security officers? Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily mean you have carte-blanche to say whatever you want, wherever you please, whenever you choose.

First of all, saying "St. Andrew has sex with animals and molests small boys" would be slander and therefore illegal. Someone shooting bomb or fire at an airport is also commiting a crime (donno the name of it). However, just making a political statement should in no way be illegal. And as she didn't do anything before they "arrested" her, they did the wrong thing and imo if your goverment can do that you have severe problems with your laws.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew First of all, saying "St. Andrew has sex with animals and molests small boys" would be slander and therefore illegal.

And nothing out of Sheehan's mouth is considered slander? She's talking shit about THE PRESIDENT.

Main Entry: de·fa·ma·tion
Pronunciation: "de-f&-'mA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : communication to third parties of false statements about a person that injure the reputation of or deter others from associating with that person —see also LIBEL, SLANDER

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Originally posted by Steven Hays She's talking shit about THE PRESIDENT.

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The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else. - Teddy Roosevelt (in a Kansas City Star editorial - May 7, 1918)