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Originally posted by Skipper You just aren't looking in the right places. There are some techno events happening in the city that are much fresher and more creative than what is going on in London...London seems to be ridden with big parties, same ol Ibiza type names.

hmmm... maybe your right just not looking hard enough or maybe looking in the wrong places, but the fact that i have to look hard kind of sucks .

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Originally posted by SonjaDanceDance hmmm... maybe your right just not looking hard enough or maybe looking in the wrong places, but the fact that i have to look hard kind of sucks .

No, I don't think it sucks at all. keeps it underground and out of the mainstream.

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Originally posted by Skipper You just aren't looking in the right places. There are some techno events happening in the city that are much fresher and more creative than what is going on in London...London seems to be ridden with big parties, same ol Ibiza type names.

lol i'd have to disagree, the uk and london espically has a shitload of underground type clubs, theres a million of them. Londons a massive city, and just like any other its going to be ridden with big parties, but thats not why its the edm capital of the world. What are these toronto events that are "fresher" than london? you sound like u've never been to the uk speaking like that, or if u have, you dont know anyone there and have only hit the big name clubs. Techno and dnb are huge there, so i donno where ur gettin ur info from. England is the edm capital because its always been a few steps ahead of the rest of the world, ie "much fresher"

you can't compare apples and oranges.

UK is far ahead in the music industry.

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Originally posted by Skipper No, I don't think it sucks at all. keeps it underground and out of the mainstream.

What's wrong with it being mainstream. Does the sound change because it becomes mainstream? Does it evolve in to something too commercialized?

I think if its the more predominant form of music its more likely to evolve faster that's why i think the Uk is more evolved in its music scene.

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Originally posted by Wyndham lol i'd have to disagree, the uk and london espically has a shitload of underground type clubs, theres a million of them. Londons a massive city, and just like any other its going to be ridden with big parties, but thats not why its the edm capital of the world. What are these toronto events that are "fresher" than london? you sound like u've never been to the uk speaking like that, or if u have, you dont know anyone there and have only hit the big name clubs. Techno and dnb are huge there, so i donno where ur gettin ur info from. England is the edm capital because its always been a few steps ahead of the rest of the world, ie "much fresher"

Areed, London is pretty much the EDM centre of the world!!! I find London to be more various small club nights than massive events like say the Netherlands has. The variety in London is second to none.

The acid-techno scene there is VERY! underground with most of it happening in squat parties which I recommend to anyone who visits their Some of them can go on for days

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It's because they're more accepting..and open to different sounds and music. The ELITIST attitude isn't as predominant there as it is here..for instance. None of this shit.. HOUSE > Trance,... Breaks > Techno, DnB> Jungle.. garbage that's killing our scene here ..specifically in Toronto. Makes me sick.

Over there it's all the same to many people..because they grow up listening to all forms of it..and so there's no need to categorize it as much to associate themselves with a particular genre/group/scene.,.and they'll still jump in their cars and listen to the Spice Girls or 50 cent.

Good music is good music..no matter what it is...and they seem to understand that alot better than most do here.

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Originally posted by Skipper You just aren't looking in the right places.

u're also right about this. I for one have had my eyes opened to some new sounds and events around town, muti-media stuff..that are very discrete but exteremly innovative/creative & all EDM.

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Originally posted by SonjaDanceDance All true and valid points. It might also have to do with their club scene. Much more part of mainstream culture. I wonder if people would ever consider moving to the UK for the music and the club culture?

You know, I want to clarify something to everyone who uses the phrase "Valid Point". There's no such thing as a true and valid point. A point is an opinion, and an opinion cannot be valid or true, otherwise it would be a fact, not opinion. I know this phrase is imbedded into your heads and you all use it daily, but I figure it would be in good gesture to try and undo this commonly repeated saying for the sake of the english language (and for the sake of making a stronger sounding argument/statement).

Now speaking of the thread subject, the UK is known to be more generally welcoming of new music, and is the testing grounds to alot of American bands in "rock". Also like mentioned before with Backstreet Boys being popular in Europe way before in US. The same can be applied to many rock bands like The Killers, Nirvana, The Strokes, The White Stripes, etc. They are big over there before they become big here in North America. With exception to Nu-metal and heavy metal (Korn, Linkin Park, Disturbed), as they are the exception to this general rock rule: American companies and producers always bring their music to the UK first to break them into the industry. While the funny part is, UK music (britpop) seems to have harder time selling their product to the America's, and only few great bands go past that borderline indie threshold and into mainstream american music ala Coldplay/U2.

Im not sure how it is for electronica music as I know very little about the genre itself, but I am sure its much different as electronica music is not mainstreamed itself and sought as more of an underground/club thing. Most other musical genres is venued and marketed through radio and television, so its not the same to compare to.

Though im sure America holds the grounds for most rap/hip hop and R&B talent (if you can call some of that stuff talent).