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Originally posted by Shamen DJ's Is there anyone that is very knowledgable about Islam here on this forum?

Well, I don't claim to be "very knowledgable" but I can answer your question.

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Originally posted by Shamen DJ's I am seriously wondering if Mohammed ever actually did preach violence, or if it is sick power bent nationalistic leaders who perverted Islam into the sick form it is today, and if those same leaders deliberately fan hatred of the west in the attempt to gain populist support in their own countries and gain total political power. Seriously, there are some pretty sick twisted Christians such as Pat Robertson who advocated a jihad on the president of Venezuela. Luckily in most ways Christianity has evolved alot since a dark moment in the U.S. when anyone considered a "witch" was burnt to death whether they really were or not, which certainly wouldn't be condoned by Jesus.

No he didn't preach violence. And yes, the "religious establishment" is totally corrupt. Plus, you don't need to fan to any flames to get Middle Easterners upset with the West. The West does a fine job of that on their own. Ofcourse, the Mullahs fan the flames to distract Muslims from problems at home (mainly the corrput power structure, lack of decent infrastucture, lack of education etc.). The "religious establishment" is there to keep the masses ignorant and stupid, and out of the Goverments' way. Although the masses frustration with external factors effecting them adversly is legitemate, the focus of anger is usually directed at someone external party by the "religious establishment."

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"The Jews have come from the tragedy [of the Holocaust], and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror; with their work, not with their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. Fifteen million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people.

I guess that's correct. Too bad Israel fucked up with the 6-Day War, and the invasion of lebanon. Otherwise, the whole jewish religion would be innocent.

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Originally posted by Lepanto Reviewer: Haroon Rasheed "Haru" (Kashmir, India) Islam is fastest growing because it is concentrated in the underdeveloped tropical regions where the population is multiplying faster than rabbits. in Judaism/He do Haroon Rasheed, Kashmir, India.

Very interesting post. Took a long time to read it, but it was definately worth it. As it mentioned in your posting about the Muslim Religion growing because of the high population growth rate. Absolutely true, especially with several muslim countries in Sub Saharan Africa having the worlds highest birth rates ( even though they cant feed the children there ). At the same time the population of Christians will likely remain stable or decline, with the very low birth rates in most of Europe & the fast declining birth rates in Latin America as people whether they like the U.S. or not, are more and more living the American way of life, and have many of the same worries such as the cost of education for their children. The number of Jewish people will likely also decline as I did read in Newsweek about a year ago that inter marriage is the biggest threat to the religion. As for the Religions in the far east, most of those countries either have already low birth rates, especially China & Japan, or birth rates that are declining.

So being that Islam is the worlds fastest religion. That certainly doesnt convince me in any way that I need to convert to Islam. Current World Events have made it certain that I will never be Muslim. While I am really discusted with alot of people who call themselves Christians whether bad priest, corrupt government officials, scam artist, or greedy televangelists, that is nothing compared to people who blow themselves up thinking they're going to be rewarded with virgins for killing people. They'll end up looking for the virgins in the firey pits of hell.

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i love this bitch.. she needs to lead the middle east

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i love this bitch.. she needs to lead the middle east

You do? Thats suprising.

I agree with most of replies here. Religion today has influences all over the world and cetrainly has change many many things.This is smth that started 6000 years ago and will continue till god's will, comes upon the earth.
I view myself everything more in a scientific way, and my vision ends with a God. And i think everyone will end there one day. Doesnt matter what religion it is, its a progression. As the world advances, more things are revealed. I will leave God decide what he is going to do and let us know what the truth is, since humans arent so good keeping the truth.
My message would be, use your brain to think what is the right thing to do. Think that ur brain is limited and there are things that you cant see in your future. Dont blame God if ur life goes wrong because thats a consequence of your own decisions that u made in the past. Believe with head and not with heart since your head controls everything.
Certainly calling for fight and war and forcing to do things its not the truth. but when it comes to holy books i would say remember when u were studing literature and ur friends had different opinions from yours. Well a book is a source of discussion wether what is that the author had in mind saying that.
I would say the truth will come one day and may God do justice.

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Originally posted by Saiera I agree with most of replies here. Religion today has influences all over the world and cetrainly has change many many things.This is smth that started 6000 years ago and will continue till god's will, comes upon the earth. I view myself everything more in a scientific way, and my vision ends with a God. And i think everyone will end there one day. Doesnt matter what religion it is, its a progression. As the world advances, more things are revealed. I will leave God decide what he is going to do and let us know what the truth is, since humans arent so good keeping the truth. My message would be, use your brain to think what is the right thing to do. Think that ur brain is limited and there are things that you cant see in your future. Dont blame God if ur life goes wrong because thats a consequence of your own decisions that u made in the past. Believe with head and not with heart since your head controls everything. Certainly calling for fight and war and forcing to do things its not the truth. but when it comes to holy books i would say remember when u were studing literature and ur friends had different opinions from yours. Well a book is a source of discussion wether what is that the author had in mind saying that. I would say the truth will come one day and may God do justice.

Te qifsha ropte pidhar Tani fillove te shruash ketu ti ere?

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Originally posted by Kapedan You do? Thats suprising.

Piss off you stupid american

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Piss off you stupid american

I didn't write that book, a muslim did

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Originally posted by Shamen DJ's Very interesting post. Took a long time to read it, but it was definately worth it. As it mentioned in your posting about the Muslim Religion growing because of the high population growth rate. Absolutely true, especially with several muslim countries in Sub Saharan Africa having the worlds highest birth rates ( even though they cant feed the children there ). At the same time the population of Christians will likely remain stable or decline, with the very low birth rates in most of Europe & the fast declining birth rates in Latin America as people whether they like the U.S. or not, are more and more living the American way of life, and have many of the same worries such as the cost of education for their children. The number of Jewish people will likely also decline as I did read in Newsweek about a year ago that inter marriage is the biggest threat to the religion. As for the Religions in the far east, most of those countries either have already low birth rates, especially China & Japan, or birth rates that are declining. So being that Islam is the worlds fastest religion. That certainly doesnt convince me in any way that I need to convert to Islam. Current World Events have made it certain that I will never be Muslim. While I am really discusted with alot of people who call themselves Christians whether bad priest, corrupt government officials, scam artist, or greedy televangelists, that is nothing compared to people who blow themselves up thinking they're going to be rewarded with virgins for killing people. They'll end up looking for the virgins in the firey pits of hell.

the difference between that is modern teachings and how Sultan points their backwardness. also, intermarriage isn't a big deal to most Jews because it's an ethnicity to most so it's like a black marrying a white person their child still carries on the blood line of both. hard to understand but if you do more research on it it'll become evident. another thing is that christianity isn't that united AT ALL. protestants and catholics fight all the time, BUT muslims believe in the ummah, meaning their unity in islam, so if there's an aggression to one group of arabs it's an aggression towards the whole muslim world. when the US or London or Spain are attacked the pope doesn't come out and say all Judo-Christians must unite and destroy the nonbelievers...but what the hell wafa sultan has said most of this already

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