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Originally posted by occrider Yes however the problem is is that there's no evidence to suggest that any of the documents are factual or conclusive in the slightest. Therefore presenting them as such is misleading.

These are open to the public.
Are suggesting that these are made up?
Who in there right mind would they risk such a thing?
I understand the obvious reason why, but if it was proven that these were false, don't you think it would do more harm than good in the long run? Not to mention kill any credibility left in this whole campaign.
I don't think they'd be that foolish.
[edit: I'm of course talking about the original docs, not the translated ones. Unless that's what you're talking about, in which case, forgettaboutit... )

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One should not cherry pick unsubstantiated documents that support your claims while ignoring unsubstantiated documents from the same stash that are wholly contradictory to your claims. Is Iraq actively cooperating with Al-Qaeda? Why would they need to spy on the Taliban to learn of this relationship? Why would they need to use their spy network to figure out if Al-Qaeda is operating in Iraq if they're cooperating with them? It's all meaningless conjecture and unsubstantiated claims until authenticity and veracity can be confirmed in the slightest. Something that even the military made quite clear from the get-go.

I did disclaimer myself in my last post but you are correct, however that doesn't suggest we can't speculate; it's not like the original source is coming from some shadowy corner of the web; these are real, pre-war Iraqi documents coming from a military entity.

There certainly are a lot of questions and as mentioned before, the biggest question is legitimacy; a valid question.
I would think, logically, that those documents that are the most damning would get the most attention, that's just expected.
The biggest headache for all of us with be the spinoffs of the unverified ones coming from all the conspiracy sites (on both sides of the fence I'm sure).

What's not made clear is where the verified documents are being hosted.
I'd assume that it'll be on a different part of the military site that hosting the original documents.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r These are open to the public. Are suggesting that these are made up? Who in there right mind would they risk such a thing? I understand the obvious reason why, but if it was proven that these were false, don't you think it would do more harm than good in the long run? Not to mention kill any credibility left in this whole campaign. I don't think they'd be that foolish. [edit: I'm of course talking about the original docs, not the translated ones. Unless that's what you're talking about, in which case, forgettaboutit... ) I did disclaimer myself in my last post but you are correct, however that doesn't suggest we can't speculate; it's not like the original source is coming from some shadowy corner of the web; these are real, pre-war Iraqi documents coming from a military entity. There certainly are a lot of questions and as mentioned before, the biggest question is legitimacy; a valid question. I would think, logically, that those documents that are the most damning would get the most attention, that's just expected. The biggest headache for all of us with be the spinoffs of the unverified ones coming from all the conspiracy sites (on both sides of the fence I'm sure). What's not made clear is where the verified documents are being hosted. I'd assume that it'll be on a different part of the military site that hosting the original documents.

The document itself need not be fabricated (although it just as easily could have been not necessarily by the US), but rather the information in the report itself could have been fabricated. The unknown source could have fabricated it, Dahestani could have fabricated it, Dahestani's source could have fabricated it, or his intelligence could just be plain wrong. So why again is Iraq finding out about it's relations with Al-Qaeda via an informant in Afghanistan via the Afghani government?

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Originally posted by occrider So why again is Iraq finding out about it's relations with Al-Qaeda via an informant in Afghanistan via the Afghani government?

It sounds more like Iraq was verifying what Afghanistan knew at the time as opposed to Iraq checking their own intelligence from afar lol...

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
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