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Originally posted by emc^2 "Can you grab your instrument of choice and play it live?"

you can do this tho, and with a backing track (which IS used by some cover bands) you can play live. Their arguement is sort of redundant, although I know where they are coming from.
Besides how many guitarists are able to comprehend MIDI?

its the tron effect, people who dont understand computers think the computer is doing all the work

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Originally posted by jacheatamobits I believe that the modern day equivalant of a baroque or classical composer is the electronic musician.

Please. It's one thing being proud about the music you listen to but that's just ridiculous.

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the "electronic art music" realm would probably have a more valid claim to this "modern day classical" comparison. There is electronic music made for concert halls, and those "installation pieces" that loop when you are in some artsy designed room like at festivals and stuff. Some of this electronic stuff that gets played in these concert settings with that same classical tradition, musician walks on stage, people applaud and watch the performance, real sit down and watch type music. Classical was never dancing music. The artsy music isnt made with the same stuff we use though, they get into things that are pretty complicated, there is some overlap in the tools used though.

Not quite true... Waltzes for sure were contemporty dance music.. ;-)

Blue Danube springes to mind here right off the bat

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Please. It's one thing being proud about the music you listen to but that's just ridiculous.

actually with today's software you can create just as the early musicians of that time did with pen and paper, who orchestated many different instruments at a time.

they also experimented with new sounds. remember the harpsichord?

it might be ridiculous to think of the electronic musician as such, but we most resemble a composer, whose cellists and violinists are synths and VSTs.

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Originally posted by Diginerd Not quite true... Waltzes for sure were contemporty dance music.. ;-)

i was actualy waiting for someone to say this. the rituals preformed by the modern day clubber resemble those of the "waltzer". they had extravagant clothes and the whole ordeal was fucking trend-city.

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and they even took little notebooks with them to write down the "playlist".

okay, im done

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Originally posted by jacheatamobits edit: and they even took little notebooks with them to write down the "playlist". okay, im done

^^^^ LOOOOLL! Not even mentioning how many were wacked out on Opium, absinthe, or hemp... )) Let's not forget all the orgies that happened thereafter - it's no wonder syphilys was sooo prominent back then.

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Originally posted by jacheatamobits actually with today's software you can create just as the early musicians of that time did with pen and paper, who orchestated many different instruments at a time. they also experimented with new sounds. remember the harpsichord? it might be ridiculous to think of the electronic musician as such, but we most resemble a composer, whose cellists and violinists are synths and VSTs.

Yes, we could create something like that - thing is, 99% of the current trance producers don't even try. Not that many even know anything about music theory which is quite essential if you want to compose something like that.

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yeah, thought producing trance/edm would be easier (or easy tpo get into) after spending a lot of time playing guitar for a while with bands ... how wrong was that With guitar or any instrument you only have to worry about your part and how it sounds and let the live/recording engineer worry about the rest of the band

Suppose trance does borrow ideas from classical music such as countermelodies which is something you dont really hear much with other forms of music.

seems like you neglect an important part of EDM production; synthesis - while other musicians need master their instrument, you need to create yours (unless you rely on the patch banks for your every need, in that case disregard this post as it doesn't apply to you at all).

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to me it seemed there wasnt any point to that at all, just a recapitulation of a common pont of view.

I used to play the cello, it has been a few years though. I'm in the camp that casts trance as being nowhere close to classical. I think there is a compositional element to what we do, but it doesnt compare to classical, things in trance are thought of in terms of gimmicks, in the context of being played in a DJ mix so it must by default be somewhat similar to the other stuff that the DJ is playing, too much contrast sounds random, too much structure sounds boring.

To me trance doesn't seem to pride itself on exploring new sounds that much, just making people dance. The target demographic for classical and trance are way different, classical being uppder class, educated and rich types, trance is a lower middle class thing, there is no high culture in trance like there was in classical. This music is much more of a commodity, and nobody is getting commisioned to make it as some form of art, its just fun loops to dance to, much more simple and silly, not some serious prestigous elite thing.

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