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Originally posted by false pride i have frutty loops, but im not sure if its all that great. and im having trouble getting stuff to sound the way i want on it.

Your problem is likely not Fruity. You're just starting out, so you're understandibly going to have problems. You'll have problems with Reason, too. You'll even have problems with Cubase or Logic.

All I can say is: learning to make trance is exactly the same as learning to make other music. You listen to a whole lot of trance from all genres, you practice a whole lot, and you have others review your tracks. It will be difficult, but anyone who told you that making trance would be easy was talking through their ass.

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Originally posted by Jason_R DJ 00 Tommy is that thing real?

I'm not Tommy, but yes it is very real, and very very rare. I think there were like 2 or 3 200s, and only one of it's sibling the 100.

It's basically an additive synth that was way ahead of its time.

It was used for a bunch of sound effects in the first Star Trek Movie and I think that was the sum total of its career.

learn music theory

learn basic synthesis

learn how to use a synthesizer


learn how to use a sequencer


then buy a sequencer or use fruity and add some vsts and just start doing what you learned from above. i remeber when i was a beginner i was frustrated too ,but not until i learned theory ,learned how to program synths and arrange a track was i happy or satisfied

now i can pretty much program whatever i want and its fun.

but in trance its not really the programming,or the synthesis its really the arranging,composing and the effects that make trance i know a lot of people will disagree ,but this is true you could have the best sounds but not knowing what to do with them,how to tweak them or where in time to put them in the track you wont have any results so be patient and read up on line.



http://www.midi.org/about-midi/tutorial/tutor.shtml
http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tutr/whatsseq.htm
http://www.djsource.co.uk/tutorials/dj-skills/understanding-dance-music-structure-tutorial/

Last edited by clubkidnycnyc on Apr-01-2006 at 21:04

Yea i just found a bunch of pics of old synths on a webpage and posted the wierdest looking one i could bother finding, it was funny looking at all the original moog modulars that take up an entire wall.

What are the best sites for learning about programing sythisizers. I still realy suck and i know it takes practice but im still not even sure what some controlls on a synth do.

i do know a decent amount of music thoery. ive been palying guitar for a little while now. i know major and minor chords/scales. power chords. a lot of basic ti intermediate stuff. i tried finding a good tut on fruity that took you through the basics of starting to use it to how to get more advanced and couldn't find one that walked through the whole process.

subqeustion. in fruity, i have a dashboard in one track, when i try to link more than one nob to a dashboard wheel it takes away the last link and just leaves the first. how can i link more than one tihng to a dashbaord weel?

Last edited by false pride on Apr-03-2006 at 19:37

also you might want to check out orion platinum from synapse audio. this has the easiest interface and the learning curve is not very steep.

A lot of people are put of by the name 'Fruity Loops' and take it for being a kiddies sequencer but once you get past the step writing function and start using the piano roll it opens up. In my own opinion I actually prefer the sequencer in Floops to Reason but they both have good and bad points.
Naturally it's not going to sound pro especially if you are only starting out. A large amount of what you can achieve depends on the VSTs that you have in terms of sound as fruity's presets on the whole are somewhat lacking, although that said once you master the user of them they can act as good compliments to your compositions.

Most sequencers have a pretty standard format so learning on Fruity is not really that different to a lot of applications out there. The real test to get your sound professional is what you do with the EQs. For that the principles are the same pretty much on any application, fruity, reason or whatever. Getting the really good sound is ulitimately about isolating the right frequencies and making sure that you have the right sounds for your track. It's worth remembering that whilst a sound can be trivial by itself, if you throw it in with the right combination it can sound masterful.

Don't know fruity as there are pro's out there who base all their tracks on this versatile application. I still use Fruity with VSTs and Reason (Rewired) but I am investigating Cubase at the moment. Purely to see if it gives me some different ideas.

Cheers
Nem

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in fruity is there a way i can arnage the order in which the synths and things i have in a pattern? and how do you hide the children instruments in a layer?

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 A lot of people are put of by the name 'Fruity Loops' and take it for being a kiddies sequencer

But for some reason it's usually where the kiddies start, so it's still correct....in a way

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Originally posted by aquila But for some reason it's usually where the kiddies start, so it's still correct....in a way

It's because it's the smallest download

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I think people just get fruity because in two seconds they can easily creat some basic little rythem using the step sequencer. People can download it, slap something together without knowing how to use the program and without knowing how to produce and then to his fellow idiots who know nothing about music it sounds good. Thus making him teh uber cool.