To the guy that said "So what if we cant invade them", well with a government as radical as Iran's even if their leader has no intentions of nuking Israel/USA he can still do some crazy/awful shit within his own borders and no one will be able to do anything about it.

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Originally posted by habsfan Forgive my ignorance regarding this matter, but why shouldn't Iran be allowed nuclear technology? Or a nuclear bomb for that matter?

anyone that thinks iran obtaining nuclear weapons is a good thing is a fvcking moron. not directing this at you, just telling you how it is.

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Originally posted by habsfan So lets say Iran gets a nuke. It would only guarantee that they don't get invaded. Do you really think they would use it to strike Israel or the US? Come on . Doing so would pretty much guarantee their destruction.

firstly, on what grounds do you believe possessing a nuclear weapon will prevent them from being invaded? no, im not sure whether they would strike at israel or not. how can you be so sure? do you listen to anything the iranian president says? i mean seriously, where are you getting this 100% certainty from? christ.

have you considered the possibility, given that govts close ties with extremists (indeed, the president used to be a so-called terrorist according to some) you dont worry about warheads being given to third parties?

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Originally posted by habsfan So, worst case scenario, Iran develops nuclear weapons and no one can invade/attack them. So what?

theres so much more to the problem than that your opinion is laughable. ever considered nuclear proliferation is a bad thing in and of itself? that we'll always live under the nuke cloud as long as states have the bomb, and allowing more and more nations to acquire it isnt helping anyone in the long run?

yeah, iran having nukes is a safe and fair outcome for all

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN firstly, on what grounds do you believe possessing a nuclear weapon will prevent them from being invaded? no, im not sure whether they would strike at israel or not. how can you be so sure? do you listen to anything the iranian president says? i mean seriously, where are you getting this 100% certainty from? christ.

Having a nuclear weapon is a huge deterrent from being invaded/attacked. When was the last time a nuclear power was attacked? And no, they wouldn't strike Israel because Israel has anywhere from 100-200 nuclear warheads. I doubt Iran would "waste" a bomb that took them so long to create only to get absolutely slaughtered.

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have you considered the possibility, given that govts close ties with extremists (indeed, the president used to be a so-called terrorist according to some) you dont worry about warheads being given to third parties?

The president was a university professor and mayor of Tehran prior to taking office. Terrorist?
Again, I doubt Iran would risk giving away a nuke that was so troublesome to make in the first place. Mind you, this is my opinion, but if you put yourself in their shoes, would you just give a nuke away to a radical extremist group? What good would that do Iran?

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theres so much more to the problem than that your opinion is laughable. ever considered nuclear proliferation is a bad thing in and of itself? that we'll always live under the nuke cloud as long as states have the bomb, and allowing more and more nations to acquire it isnt helping anyone in the long run? yeah, iran having nukes is a safe and fair outcome for all

Yes, I did oversimplify the problem didn't I ? Yes, nuclear proliferation is bad so why is Iran trying to get one? Maybe cause Israel has them? And they're the only country in the middle east with them. I have an idea....take away Israel's nukes and you'll have your nuclear-free middle east !
Unfortunately, as long as nuclear weapons are seen as the currency of great powers, I don't see Iran giving up it's quest to develop them.

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Originally posted by Alex To the guy that said "So what if we cant invade them", well with a government as radical as Iran's even if their leader has no intentions of nuking Israel/USA he can still do some crazy/awful shit within his own borders and no one will be able to do anything about it.

So you're saying that if Iran gets a nuke, it will finally be able to say "You can't stop me now!!! I'm gonna do all kinds of crazy/awful shit to my citizens!!! Muahahaha!!!"

I know the whole "you've been brainwashed by western media" thing is overdone, but come on man!

Yeah, they may not enjoy the same freedoms that we have, but it's definately not some barbaric regime. And before you start listing off all the atrocities within Iran, please list your sources. The media tend to get a little imaginative whenever the governement has some kind of agenda. Weird how that works eh?

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Originally posted by habsfan The president was a university professor and mayor of Tehran prior to taking office. Terrorist?

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This view has been reinforced by allegations that Ahmadinejad, who joined a special-forces brigade of the Revolutionary Guards in 1986, may have been involved in terrorist activities in the late eighties. (There are gaps in Ahmadinejad’s official biography in this period.) Ahmadinejad has reportedly been connected to Imad Mughniyeh, a terrorist who has been implicated in the deadly bombings of the U.S. Embassy and the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, in 1983. Mughniyeh was then the security chief of Hezbollah; he remains on the F.B.I.’s list of most-wanted terrorists. Robert Baer, who was a C.I.A. officer in the Middle East and elsewhere for two decades, told me that Ahmadinejad and his Revolutionary Guard colleagues in the Iranian government “are capable of making a bomb, hiding it, and launching it at Israel. They’re apocalyptic Shiites. If you’re sitting in Tel Aviv and you believe they’ve got nukes and missiles—you’ve got to take them out. These guys are nuts, and there’s no reason to back off.”

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Originally posted by habsfan Again, I doubt Iran would risk giving away a nuke that was so troublesome to make in the first place.

again, this is merely your conjecture. you doubt do you? funnily enough i dont give two shits what you doubt. nobody should have nuclear weapons, and enlarging the club of countries that do helps no one.

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Originally posted by habsfan Mind you, this is my opinion, but if you put yourself in their shoes, would you just give a nuke away to a radical extremist group? What good would that do Iran?

see quote above.

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Originally posted by habsfan Yes, I did oversimplify the problem didn't I ? Yes, nuclear proliferation is bad so why is Iran trying to get one? Maybe cause Israel has them? And they're the only country in the middle east with them. I have an idea....take away Israel's nukes and you'll have your nuclear-free middle east ! Unfortunately, as long as nuclear weapons are seen as the currency of great powers, I don't see Iran giving up it's quest to develop them.

hey, way to go bringing up total irrelevancies. this argument isnt about whether israel should have nuclear weapons or not is it mate? yes, your idea about a nuclear-free israel is a good one, but its not the point is it? two wrongs dont make a right.

call me crazy but i dont think any country that argues for the destruction of another should have nukes. iran has signed treaties and should be held accountable for those agreements. whether the US or China or Zimbabwe have nuclear weapons is irrelevant as far as im concerned. i dont care whether its iran or new zealand. more nukes is not a good thing for anyone.

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Look Raistlin (good name btw), I know more nukes is a bad thing.

But I think people need to put themselves in Iran's shoes. You're Iran.

The US has been meddling in your affairs for 50 years, they invade your neighbour, prop up a puppet regime to serve their interest, claim that YOU are in the "axis of evil", and start spurting out loads of propaganda that you're developing nukes, support terrorists, want to destroy Israel, etc.

This is all leading to something isn't it? There's a reason behind it. They want something - whether that something is oil, dollar hegemony, so-called "stability" in the region, whatever. They are preparing the American public just like they prepared them for Iraq.

So if you were Iran, you look at history. You see what's happened. You know where you stand. Wouldn't YOU want a deterrent. Something, anything to avoid getting trampled? Yes, nukes are bad, but what else would deter the US?


Again, I'm not advocating nuclear proliferation. I'm simply asking you to step back, and look at it through Iran's point of view.

Looks like they are about to pull another Iraq on Iran.They will go to UN and then they'll attack them anyways.This fuckin Admin is using UN again for another invasion.This time they gonna fuckin get it good though.


Iran will rape their ass like never before.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Looks like they are about to pull another Iraq on Iran.They will go to UN and then they'll attack them anyways.This fuckin Admin is using UN again for another invasion.This time they gonna fuckin get it good though. Iran will rape their ass like never before.

Well so far I think the American people are against that, with a good majority too. So hopefully the majority stays against it & keep Bush from making that decision.

But as we know, Bush will prolly pull some BS outta his ass that the CIA has proof they have a nuclear bomb & are ready to use it against us. They the sheep will support the war & when we invade well find out it was on lies again.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Looks like they are about to pull another Iraq on Iran.They will go to UN and then they'll attack them anyways.This fuckin Admin is using UN again for another invasion.This time they gonna fuckin get it good though.

It will be a long time coming before any military action is taken against Iran. Though if the case is brought to the UN for action against Iran, then they won't have much choice but to go along with it.

The US is not a major player in the battles with Iran over their nuclear habits. The US has pretty much been kept out of the negotiations. So the UN or UN members have been doing most of the work and Iran for the most part has not been very coroperative.

If Iran continues to pursue Nuclear interests and its thought they are even a little close to producing any type of weapon then the US is not going to be the only one to think they should be stopped by force. Though this will only happen if all other avenues have been exhausted. As others have said, Iran is not close to having the materials to make a bomb so this scenario won't become plausible for quite some time.

That isn't to say the Bush administration won't try to speed up the process and make the case that military action is needed against Iran sooner than later. But I don't see how a war with Iran could even be possible with the current state of things. For one, the army barely has enough resources to handle Iraq at the moment.

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Originally posted by habsfan So you're saying that if Iran gets a nuke, it will finally be able to say "You can't stop me now!!! I'm gonna do all kinds of crazy/awful shit to my citizens!!! Muahahaha!!!" I know the whole "you've been brainwashed by western media" thing is overdone, but come on man! Yeah, they may not enjoy the same freedoms that we have, but it's definately not some barbaric regime. And before you start listing off all the atrocities within Iran, please list your sources. The media tend to get a little imaginative whenever the governement has some kind of agenda. Weird how that works eh?

I didn't mean to say that Iran's government was AWFUL to it's people, but they arent the best, and with the protection of a bomb they could quite simply stop worrying about any intervention and either A) Not change that much or B) Become more atrocious/awful/extreme without anyone being able to really do anything.

I know Iranian-Canadians and they say themselves that Iran isnt the greatest place to live, that being said they are perhaps in a small demographic (Based on the fact they chose to leave, clearly meaning they felt strongly about their decision).

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^^ exactly @ josh4. Russia has also jumped on board in comdemning iran as well. are they evil with ulterior motives as well?

just coz america does or says something doesnt make them automatically wrong.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Looks like they are about to pull another Iraq on Iran.They will go to UN and then they'll attack them anyways.This fuckin Admin is using UN again for another invasion.This time they gonna fuckin get it good though. Iran will rape their ass like never before.

If a war breaks out with Iran, it will involve all the western military powers, therefore resulting in Iran losing.


I hope a war DOES NOT break out, as I believe we've all seen enough of it these past few years, there was a "success" in Afghanistan, perhaps it was luck, perhaps it wasnt, but these arent risks the west can keep taking when it comes to wars/invasions/armed conflicts.

If military options are taken against Iran, I hope it will be limited to Special forces/PRECISE bombings, I would hate to see Iranian citizens being killed over decisions by governments, it's simply not fair.

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