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Originally posted by JimWein Cleary you are ignorant of the history in even your own country. We are talking about a flag here, not race.

If we're talking about a flag in the aesthetic sense, then why did you bring up the fact that North America would be great if the South had won? The South represented slavery as well as many other negative factors, and although I don't necessarily believe all of the Confederate leaders were all bad, they certainly weren't the people I would have sided with.

But if we're talking about a flag, keep it about the flag, I find it hard to believe you think North America would be better solely because the South had a better looking flag.

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Originally posted by Demoted If we're talking about a flag in the aesthetic sense, then why did you bring up the fact that North America would be great if the South had won? The South represented slavery as well as many other negative factors, and although I don't necessarily believe all of the Confederate leaders were all bad, they certainly weren't the people I would have sided with. But if we're talking about a flag, keep it about the flag, I find it hard to believe you think North America would be better solely because the South had a better looking flag.

We are talking about the aesthetic properties of the flag, which I think would make America a better nation if it was the national flag (it looks nicer).

But also I prefer the Southern States, the culture is great. The food is better, the French influence and the literature etc.

People in the US too easily forget that many of the people in their country are from the South! It is offensive to suggest that everything to do with the Southern culture is racist, don't forget there were also slaves in the North and around the world.

So I like the look of the flag, and the Southern way of life but not the racism, this has nothing to do with race.

So please, can we not disrupt this thread? (Not you demoted, because your reply was sensible and not disruptive). Now people, what are some more of your favourite flags and why?

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Originally posted by JimWein We are talking about the aesthetic properties of the flag, which I think would make America a better nation if it was the national flag (it looks nicer). But also I prefer the Southern States, the culture is great. The food is better, the French influence in parts is great, the literature etc. People in the US often forget that many of the people in their country are from the South and it is offensive to suggest that everything to do with the Southern culture is racist. Don't forget there were also slaves in the North and around the world. So I like the look of the flag, and the Southern way of life but not the racism, this has nothing to do with race.

if you're from the south that would make sense. i personally, and try not to take too much offense to this but i dont like southerners in general. the southern accent bugs the shit out of me. its half the reason i cant stand country music. if i ever went into the doctor and he had a southern accent i would run. theres no way i can take anyone with a strong southern accent seriously.

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Originally posted by JimWein We are talking about the aesthetic properties of the flag, which I think would make America a better nation if it was the national flag (it looks nicer). But also I prefer the Southern States, the culture is great. The food is better, the French influence in parts is great, the literature etc. People in the US often forget that many of the people in their country are from the South and it is offensive to suggest that everything to do with the Southern culture is racist. Don't forget there were also slaves in the North and around the world. So I like the look of the flag, and the Southern way of life but not the racism, this has nothing to do with race.

You have to understand the fact that the Confederate flag is synonymous with slavery and racism. Sure, the South might have a great culture and whatnot (I live in Georgia, and I can agree partially, but I came from up North). You couldn't just walk onto any online forum, brandish a Nazi flag saying it represents the greatest period in German history because of the awesome wienerschnitzel made in that time, the good music, and the overall apathetic discourse of the populous, and expect everyone to just say "Man, he is like, soooo not racist loll0rx".

I think that you're pwned in the gonad by Demoted mr Wein.




That's the symbol of Free France during the WW2.

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Originally posted by Demoted You have to understand the fact that the Confederate flag is synonymous with slavery and racism. Sure, the South might have a great culture and whatnot (I live in Georgia, and I can agree partially, but I came from up North). You couldn't just walk onto any online forum, brandish a Nazi flag saying it represents the greatest period in German history because of the awesome wienerschnitzel made in that time, the good music, and the overall apathetic discourse of the populous, and expect everyone to just say "Man, he is like, soooo not racist loll0rx".

Big, big difference.

The south supported slavery at a time when it was (unfortunately) not universally hated, the image of the confederate flag also is not banned (unlike the swastika), and is still used in southern state flags. The confederate flag now represents the south as a whole, and it's culture (unlike anything to do with Nazi Germany).

The nazi flag represented Hitler's awful crimes, and even though back in those days the world was not quite as accepting as it is now they were still very much disgusting crimes even for the period.

The American civil war was not only about slavery, infact the link with slavery has been built up to something it wasn't. Many in the north at the time supported slavery and many in the south did not.

This has nothing to do with slavery, racism or anything like that. and if people are offended by one person liking the flag and what it stands for surely they should be much more offended that it's still in use as a state flag?

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Originally posted by d-miurge I think that you're pwned in the gonad by Demoted mr Wein. That's the symbol of Free France during the WW2.

Is this for crucifying the Vitruvian Man?

Cmon the South!!(our local soccer team ).

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Originally posted by JimWein Big, big difference. The south supported slavery at a time when it was (unfortunately) not universally hated, the image of the confederate flag also is not banned (unlike the swastika), and is still used in southern state flags. The confederate flag now represents the south as a whole, and it's culture (unlike anything to do with Nazi Germany). The nazi flag represented Hitler's awful crimes, and even though back in those days the world was not quite as accepting as it is now they were still very much disgusting crimes even for the period. The American civil war was not only about slavery, infact the link with slavery has been built up to something it wasn't. Many in the north at the time supported slavery and many in the south did not. This has nothing to do with slavery, racism or anything like that. and if people are offended by one person liking the flag and what it stands for surely they should be much more offended that it's still in use as a state flag?

To you it's a "big big difference", to others it's a fine line. And while some of those in the deep south who brandish a Confederate flag on every possible piece of fabric in their life might agree with you that they use the Confederate flag more as a flag to signify their culture as a whole, there are many more who are trying to look beyond that flag as cultural representation. Notice how Georgia no longer has a Confederate flag anywhere in their state flag, much like South Carolina.

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Originally posted by Demoted Is this for crucifying the Vitruvian Man? [*IMG]http://www.psychodelic.ws/music/fractallarge.jpg[/IMG]

lol no, that's the Cross of Lorraine, during World War II, the cross was adopted as the official symbol of the Free French Forces. My grandpa had a flag like that.

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Originally posted by Demoted To you it's a "big big difference", to others it's a fine line. And while some of those in the deep south who brandish a Confederate flag on every possible piece of fabric in their life might agree with you that they use the Confederate flag more as a flag to signify their culture as a whole, there are many more who are trying to look beyond that flag as cultural representation. Notice how Georgia no longer has a Confederate flag anywhere in their state flag, much like South Carolina.

What are your favorite flags?

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Originally posted by JimWein What are your favorite flags?

lol