one thing i forgot to ask about. how's the master tempo on these players? is it better/worse/same what it is on the pioneers? dunno if different pioneer players have different versions on the master tempo, but IMO it sucks on the cdj-100s' at least.

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One thing to note is that the bpm counters on the denons are very bad. Wont make a difference if you dont ever use them, but they are just as likely to give you a +/- 2 bpm reading as they are the correct one. Pioneer is much more accurate. Just something to be aware of is all...

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Originally posted by Axolotyl One thing to note is that the bpm counters on the denons are very bad. Wont make a difference if you dont ever use them, but they are just as likely to give you a +/- 2 bpm reading as they are the correct one. Pioneer is much more accurate. Just something to be aware of is all...

but you can turn them off? because i personally dislike bpm counters and would prefer that they're off.

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Originally posted by skip but you can turn them off? because i personally dislike bpm counters and would prefer that they're off.

I dont think you can, but you wont have to turn them off. You will quickly realise that they are misleading and know that whatever the BPM actually is, it almost definately is not whats on the readout

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Originally posted by djkoolaide but honestly, these are much more fun to mix on (imo) than 1000's and they are just as good. 0.02% pitch, motorized platter, onboard efx, mp3 support (yeah the mk3 supports mp3 but unless you wanna spend over 3 grand, forget it), and a nice small formfactor is a huge plus as well! let me know if you have any other questions

Here's the overview

Difference between the Denons and the 1000's Mixing Wise

Dennon, 0.02% Pitch "only at +/-4%" (0.05% at +/-6% and +/-10% just like any other cheap cd deck )

CDJ 1000 MK ll, 0.02% at +/-6% and +/-10%

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First off: Cheap decks are .1% at any pitch.

Second, the CDJ-1000MK2 is only .02% at 6%, and is .05% at 10%.

Regardless, if you can't mix with .05% pitch resolution (or .1% for that matter), you stink and blame it on the pitch resolution

The 3500 is a worthy contender against the Pio's. If denon releases the firmware update soon that fixes the few bugs that were found, that'll be the case even more so. The CDJ-1000's DID have problems when they were released. People tend to not remember, since that was nearly 5 years ago now!

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Originally posted by JohnPaullino Here's the overview Difference between the Denons and the 1000's Mixing Wise Dennon, 0.02% Pitch "only at +/-4%" (0.05% at +/-6% and +/-10% just like any other cheap cd deck ) CDJ 1000 MK ll, 0.02% at +/-6% and +/-10%

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 First off: Cheap decks are .1% at any pitch. Second, the CDJ-1000MK2 is only .02% at 6%, and is .05% at 10%. Regardless, if you can't mix with .05% pitch resolution (or .1% for that matter), you stink and blame it on the pitch resolution The 3500 is a worthy contender against the Pio's. If denon releases the firmware update soon that fixes the few bugs that were found, that'll be the case even more so. The CDJ-1000's DID have problems when they were released. People tend to not remember, since that was nearly 5 years ago now!

Sorry dude nice try,

Tempo Control
A new 100mm linear high precision slider connected to a 0.02% (at +/- 6% and +/- 10%) adjustment indication on the display panel. Gives the DJ’s that total control and ensures that the tempo adjustment is easy and accurate.

www.pioneerprodj.com

Click on cdj 1000's mk 2

Yeah it does suck for those who can't mix at 0.05%, anyway click my banner, its competely flawless at 0.05%

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Dude I OWN CDJ-1000's MK2's, and they are .05% at +/- 10%.

That why EVERY TIME I TURN THEM ON I switch to 6% mode

Their website is wrong, seriously (I did look, and it does say what you said). The manual, on the other hand, is correct:

"7 Selecting range of tempo adjustment
Press the TEMPO ±6/±10/±16/±100 WIDE button.
Each time the button is pressed the variable range of the Tempo Control knob
changes as follows: ±6%, ±10%, ±16% and ±100%. You can adjust as follows: at
±6% :0.02%units, at ±10%:0.05%units, at ±16% :0.05%units, at ±100%:0.5%units.
The set variable range value is indicated in the display."

People REALLY place so much importance on that "resolution" number, equating it's importance to the ".01% wow and flutter" numbers for Technics 1200's.

In reality the two are very different numbers... CD's have NO wow and flutter and TT's (while having an analog pitch slider with theoretically no pitch resolution), have so many other things going against them in terms of accuracy that the ".01%" number doesn't mean much, nevermind being equal to pitch resolution.

.02% is very nice, yes. But .05% is perfectly fine as well. I mean, usually I get the pitch to within .05%-.1% of what it should be and "fix it" if need be while in the mix without it being audible.

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Originally posted by JohnPaullino Sorry dude nice try, Tempo Control A new 100mm linear high precision slider connected to a 0.02% (at +/- 6% and +/- 10%) adjustment indication on the display panel. Gives the DJ’s that total control and ensures that the tempo adjustment is easy and accurate. www.pioneerprodj.com Click on cdj 1000's mk 2 Yeah it does suck for who can't mix at 0.05%, click on my banner, the mix ts competely flawless at 0.05%

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Dude I OWN CDJ-1000's MK2's, and they are .05% at +/- 10%. That why EVERY TIME I TURN THEM ON I switch to 6% mode Their website is wrong, seriously (I did look, and it does say what you said). The manual, on the other hand, is correct: "7 Selecting range of tempo adjustment Press the TEMPO ±6/±10/±16/±100 WIDE button. Each time the button is pressed the variable range of the Tempo Control knob changes as follows: ±6%, ±10%, ±16% and ±100%. You can adjust as follows: at ±6% :0.02%units, at ±10%:0.05%units, at ±16% :0.05%units, at ±100%:0.5%units. The set variable range value is indicated in the display." People REALLY place so much importance on that "resolution" number, equating it's importance to the ".01% wow and flutter" numbers for Technics 1200's. In reality the two are very different numbers... CD's have NO wow and flutter and TT's (while having an analog pitch slider with theoretically no pitch resolution), have so many other things going against them in terms of accuracy that the ".01%" number doesn't mean much, nevermind being equal to pitch resolution. .02% is very nice, yes. But .05% is perfectly fine as well. I mean, usually I get the pitch to within .05%-.1% of what it should be and "fix it" if need be while in the mix without it being audible.

It really says that on the manual? Can anyone confirm this? damn, idk if i still want to buy them anymore.

bottom line is, The 3500 is $400 cheaper than the pioneers and has many more solid options included. The only thing the pioneer has against the Denon is the very miniscule difference in pitch. If you know how to mix, that difference isnt even a factor. All of the extra features make up for the difference in pitch far more. I played on the Denon for a good 30 mins at Guitar Center and personally, I didnt even notice the difference. I was impressed by the solid feel and the countless things you can learn to master on the 3500's, owning them would be fun. You buy the Pioneer's and sraight out of the box, you cant do anything with them besides mix. If you know how to scratch, then thats cool. If you dont,then youll have to get the EFX-500 or EFX-1000 which of course, equates to more money.

The only thing that is somewhat hindering me from getting the 3500's is that my decks will be used at gigs and parties and im not sure if I can tolerate the grief Im gonna hear from n00bie DJs who are intimidated by playin on non pioneer cd players.

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