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Originally posted by stefanoc for all those saying bpm is unnecessary, you are making things harder on yourself. if my set is at 140bpm, why even bother shoving another song in to test the bpm if its slower than 132bpm? why waste the time and put it in the cd player and listen to it and find out the bpm that way? hell if my set is at 140bpm, i look at my case and select a song at 139bpm and adjust the pitch by +0.80 and then tweak it a bit more and done. its great for any purpose, whether harmonic mixing or not.

a track at 129 bpm can be played at 140 bpm. Kamaya Painters "Wasteland" [Chab remix] and iio's "Rapture" [AVB remix] come to mind as slow ones that I've pitched up to +5 or +6 to fit in when running up to 140+ bpms.

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^^true but i was trying to explain the importance of knowing the bpm.

but you also have to think that key note changes if you adjust from 129bpm to 140bpm. plus i would prefer hearing a track at its original tempo rather than at +5 or -5. u know, some songs just sound wrong if speeded up hardcore. on top of that, yes, i still mix 132bpm with 140bpm only if they sound good together. every +/- 3 approximately changes the key by one note. so sometimes u wanna mix a 132bpm track in a 140bpm purposely if you know that the pitch adjustment will get the song to the same key as the one thats currently playing. then u can do the same to songs that have no note for the first minute. u know the rest...

actually a 3% shift makes it closer to the next note, but a total key change occurs at around 6%

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^^thanks. thats why i said approximate. 3% is noticeably different so i usually dont wanna cross that area. plus i dont like to go over that as well cause if im using the master tempo, the kicks would sound odd.

yea. tracks like ridgewalker - find andy moor remix or hawk - need for cognition... how could you play those tracks 5% up. sounds horrible. this is why i need a bpm counter, i need to sneak these tracks in. i usualy play melodic, driving whatnot/ tracks.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN knowing the exact bpms can be helpful for harmonic mixing. never heard of a database with bpms though. which means lots of grunt work for you

Not even for that. For Harmonic mixing you really just need to see if you have more than 3% diff on the pitch control then it will probably sound crap (With a few exceptions).

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