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The best DJs play radio mixes.

Maybe if you mean mixes that are 3 minutes long, then sure.

But I mean specifically shit heard on the radio. Like ATB and Ian Van Dahl radio mixes.


Oh yeah, let it be known I'm from the united states, where we don't really have dance radio except in select major cities.

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Originally posted by nefardec But I mean specifically shit heard on the radio. Like ATB and Ian Van Dahl radio mixes.

Is it shit because you heard it on the radio? Or is it shit because it's genuinely bad?

You namedropped Jan Johnston for crying out loud. You think her swill is any different than Lasgo or Alice Deejay? You have no right to complain about trance's popularity, because if you heard Skydive on the radio you'd hate her too.

git.

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Originally posted by nefardec Oh yeah, let it be known I'm from the united states

Speak no further, we understand

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Speak no further, we understand

hehe, I'd rather had been born with a third arm in my back sometimes.


Also, "technomonster", Please understand that I wasn't supporting any of the tracks or structure that I mentioned - I was merely giving you the most objective "state of trance structure" and examples reply as I could. By no means do I think you should make a track like freefall - skydive or adhere to some sort of predetermined structure.

Ishkur's right when he says it's trite.

Like I was getting at the bottom of my post -

Creative productions beget creative deejays. And we need more creative deejays.

Maybe though, giving you the "trite" structural state of trance now will allow you to see where you can change it...

Last edited by nefardec on Apr-28-2006 at 18:03

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Originally posted by nefardec hehe, I'd rather had been born with a third arm in my back sometimes.

quite right!!! quite handy when your back is itchy

WELL I AM GRATeful for the quick feedback.

i am here 2-3 am in the morning now listening to a fairly recent MINISTRY OF SOUND CD with a KYLIE MINOGUE and INXS, boy goerge, goerge michael(to name a few)remixes, to see what happens there.
quite different from the TRANCEMASTER as they are songs with not to much of the breakdown and builup fo the TRANCEMASTER tracks.

the songs on the MINISTRY OF SOUND ONLY END UP about 4 1/2 minutes before the change.

so far i have noticed the changes like this.
1. the first song just fades out in the middle of the song and the 2nd one comes in.
2. there is a quieter texture section in the first song and the new song comes into prominence there.
3. that build up of crescendo in the first song allowing the second song to quietly slip in as the first song vanishes-infact it has a big swoosh with nothing underneath allowing the swoosh to finish over the 2nd song.

mmmmmmmmmm well i am bloody tired at the moment so i willgo away.
and write more tomorrow.
thanks guys. just wondering whether those 3 scenarios i might put in for the DJ to have choices in fading out nicely in my single remix.

or of course that could be a silly idea

Last edited by technomonster on Apr-28-2006 at 18:25

YOU ARE A PRODUCER AND MUSICIAN, NOT A DJ!!

Stop worrying about what DJs are doing, and just make your damn music.

forget about the three scenarios. I erased them from this thread and you should erase them from your mind

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Originally posted by Ishkur YOU ARE A PRODUCER AND MUSICIAN, NOT A DJ!! Stop worrying about what DJs are doing, and just make your damn music.

yes i guess i am worried.
i am worried that i might make something that DJs will say.
nup! it doesnt mix well with other stuff.

just a few guidelines is what i am wondering about, like how many bars they would like of an intro before the main theme comes in.

crikees on that MINISTRY of sound cd, everything is perfect as far as DJing goes. everything is just the perfect length and so tight.
although it is a CD compilation, i have definately heard some DJs sound as perfect as that, live!! and cannot believe it. so i just thought that there must be a rule somewhere.

oh well, back to the drawing board.

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Originally posted by technomonster yes i guess i am worried. i am worried that i might make something that DJs will say. nup! it doesnt mix well with other stuff.

psssst. Here's a secret: none of the trance DJs in this scene are very good. In other words: They will mix your song as well as any other....that is to say, not very much at all. The first and last 8 bars, usually.

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Originally posted by Ishkur It's like waving a keychain in front of a raccoon.

Bwahaha!
Oh man, I'm so going to try that out tonight!

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Originally posted by technomonster just a few guidelines is what i am wondering about, like how many bars they would like of an intro before the main theme comes in.

16 or 32 bars before the bassline comes in. then another 16 or 32 before any introductory melodies come in. then another 16 or 32 before the break. then for the outro at the end, 32, 48 or 64 bars would suffice

feel free to bend/break these guidelines in any KeRaZy BoNkErS creative way you wish, but realisitically, something like that would make it easy for pretty much any trance DJ to mix, if that's what you're concerned about.