I've seen this before as well and I was pretty surprised at one of the key points in the documentary, which is that the only reason ecstasy isn't legalized is because the U.S. government can't make any money off of it.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 I've seen this before as well and I was pretty surprised at one of the key points in the documentary, which is that the only reason ecstasy isn't legalized is because the U.S. government can't make any money off of it.

I think that's the reason quite a few drugs are illegal, namely marijuana. Right now it's more "profitable" (in that they can secure more funding/provide more jobs) for it to be illegal and to fight a drug war against it, than it would be for it to be legal.

I mean, this is a whole other ball of string, but comparing the affects of other "legal" substances to those of marijuana really make it incredibly arbitrary as to why marijuana is illegal while others aren't.

Hell, we even have endogenous cannabinoid receptors. We evolved to smoke pot.

I am sure that if E was legal the government could make plenty of money taxing it. The stuff costs pennies to make and is way inflated in price at the consumer street-level side. It's not legal for puritanical and other mis-guided reasons, but if they allowed it to be taxed and sold, they government would probably make a substantial amount.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'm going to have to do some more research into it, but everything I've read has disproved many of the early catastrophic brain-death theories as far as MDMA goes, I wonder if there are any new studies.

do you know if 5HTP is also bad for people?

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Originally posted by tathi do you know if 5HTP is also bad for people?

5-HTP as in 5-hydroxytryptaphan? It's a naturally occuring precursor to seretonin, but it's only found in the brain, at least in great quantities. Like other drug precursors, such as L-DOPA for Parkinson's patients, the problem you run is raising your plasma concentrations of the finished neurotransmitter, in this case 5-HT. What does that mean? Neither I nor anyone else is really sure (to any definitive degree). I've heard of bad things that can happen, but I'm not sure if there are any conclusive studies of the risk of increased levels of 5-HT in the blood.

It will increase seretonin levels, but unlike SSRIs, it will raise levels throughout the body instead of just in the brain. Whether that is a cause for concern or not, I'm not sure.

If I had to guess based on my knowlege of the systematic effects of 5-HT, I would say that in moderate amounts, 5-HTP would be reasonably safe.

cheers for the advice. Alot of friends swear by 5HTP after a bigweekend, i never get comedowns so a Banana works fine for me

Hmmm, interesting. I just learned that the FDA over ruled (wtf?) the Federal Judge in the MDMA court hearing. That's the only reason why it's illegal now.

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Everyone should be given *one* 150mg tab of 3,4methylenedioxymethamphetamine on their 21st birthday.

The world would be a much different place than it is now...

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Originally posted by NeoPhono 5-HTP as in 5-hydroxytryptaphan? It's a naturally occuring precursor to seretonin, but it's only found in the brain, at least in great quantities. Like other drug precursors, such as L-DOPA for Parkinson's patients, the problem you run is raising your plasma concentrations of the finished neurotransmitter, in this case 5-HT. What does that mean? Neither I nor anyone else is really sure (to any definitive degree). I've heard of bad things that can happen, but I'm not sure if there are any conclusive studies of the risk of increased levels of 5-HT in the blood. It will increase seretonin levels, but unlike SSRIs, it will raise levels throughout the body instead of just in the brain. Whether that is a cause for concern or not, I'm not sure. If I had to guess based on my knowlege of the systematic effects of 5-HT, I would say that in moderate amounts, 5-HTP would be reasonably safe.

5-HT receptors are present in most of your organs; the reason the ones in the brain are especially important is because they are linked intimately to the pleasure/reward neural networks that your brain builds.

If you eat too much 5-HT, the body will not utilize the excess... simple as that.

I agree which what you're saying, by the way... we don't really know much about this stuff, and it seems that in moderate amounts it is safe.

Personally, I've taken 3 100mg griffonia capsules (5htp) per day as a natural supplement, and it didn't give me any negative sideeffects, and many subtle positive mood boosts.

Also, after a chemical binge, whether it be drugs or alcohol or whatever, there is always the chance for chemically induced dopamine imbalances that cause a "fake" kind of looming depression... if and when I start to feel that, I take a 5-HTP right away, then 3 the next day, and it always goes away. This could be partially or wholly placebo and everyone's personal pharacology is different, but as for me... if it ain't broke don't fix it.


EDIT: They recently discovered that MDMA permanently increases the number of dopamine regulator sites in the neural net, which in theory would lead to the user having a greater capacity to feel happy in the future.

so if ecstasy use is on the rise does that mean that more and more people are becoming relaxed?

Trying to find reasoning on the other side of the coin. sounds to me that some on here need to visit bluelight.nu



now tathi....5htp debate. The problem with 5htp and taking it orally is that there is no guarantee that it will cross the blood brain barrier for you to absorb. It helps to drink a glass of OJ or milk 15mins before and then take the supplements to aid in this process How do I know all this....I know people

Then there's the whole pre-load and post-load of 5HTP....some swear by it others don't....I put it down to placebo personally. I don't take pills myself, but have heard the run down from many people.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby EDIT: They recently discovered that MDMA permanently increases the number of dopamine regulator sites in the neural net, which in theory would lead to the user having a greater capacity to feel happy in the future.

Do you have any journal links in regard to this? I'd be interested in reading them.

Thanks.

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Originally posted by Q5echo yeah but i'm on antibiotics right now (food poisoning) and i'm catching some killer tracers. i like Motrin too. shit is the bomb.

don't forget the Tussin fools!!!