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Originally posted by Marc Summers The Balkans is probably one of the most diverse regions in the world, besides US.

Could you please elaborate this? Doesn't seem accurate at all, but I'd like to know the reasons why you said this before I can give any opinions on this matter.

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Originally posted by Lepanto Yet they voted to become their own state and you're going to argue what the majority wants? lol. ok.

yeah, democracy is good and all, but since when do people know what's best for themselves anyway?

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Originally posted by Dupz yeah, democracy is good and all, but since when do people know what's best for themselves anyway?

move to iran

anyways, dude the people want their own repulic? why? who the hell knows? the slavic people are often silly like that i guess hehe. But anyways, the referendum followed the guideline to secession to the T and it was bond to happen anyways probably. I don't think students in Serbia are going to be fucked per se but it might just make some things harder. I don't think it's going to be a big deal seeing as how this was in the serbie and montenegro's 2002 constitution so i don't expect to see Serbia just kicking people out or anything like that y'know?

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The referendum was yet another victory for the invading Muslims. The world conspired to defeat Greater Serbia, but instead there will be a Greater Albania, comprised of Albania proper, Kosovo, Macedonia, and now Montenegro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegro

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110,000 Muslims make up 17.74% of Montenegro's population.

I guarantee you that number will grow much higher soon.

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The referendum was also a victory for the criminal gangs that run Montenegro.

The pro-independence Prime Minister of Montenegro is a criminal who has an INTERPOL warrant out for his arrest. Having his own private state will give him immunity for a while longer (the real reason why he was pro-independence).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87

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Ongoing criminal investigation in Italy For years Milo Đukanović has been accused of personal and political ties to wide spread tobacco smuggling in Montenegro throughout the 1990s. According to a 240-page internal report compiled in 1997 by the Guardia di Finanza (Italian Border/Customs Police and Financial Police, is also a Military Police Corp), Montenegro was part of smuggling hierarchy divided among various crime families connected to Sicilian mafia, Camorra and Sacra corona unita organized crime syndicates. The report claimed that tobacco smuggling in Europe caused an estimated $700 million annually in losses to governments and legitimate merchants.[3] Various reports implicate Đukanović in doing business with different Mafia bosses like Neapolitan Camorra's Ciro Mazzarella who was arrested in 1993 in Lugano.[4] Since then, other mafia figures like Francesco Prudentino, Gerardo Cuomo, Filippo Messina, etc. connected to highest eshelons of Italian organized crime operated out of Montengro closely tied to Đukanović's regime.[5] In 1996, Italy's Anti-mafia Investigative Agency taped a telephone conversation between Cuomo and Santo Vantaggiato, a fugitive from Italian law hiding in Montenegro. The two men were discussing the election in Montenegro, and Cuomo boasted that he was close to senior Montenegrin politicians. He mentioned that if his "friends" got in, he would be "much stronger." Vantaggiato was murdered in Montenegro two years later in a mafia war.[6] In July 2003, the prosecutor's office in Naples named Đukanović as a linchpin in the illicit trade which used Montenegro as a transit point for smuggling millions of cigarettes across the Adriatic sea into Italy and into the hands of the Italian mafia for distribution across the EU.[7]

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Originally posted by Dupz such an enlightened comment.. good for you Independence spells nothing but trouble for the area. It disappointing to see that so many Montenegrin students studying in Serbia will have their studies interupted, not to mention the family divisions between the two countries. and for what? Serbs and Montenegrins have virtually everything in common. The same church, customs, traditions, pastimes... the list goes on. So why the split? politics. A little trivial if you ask me. Oh, and remember that there is a handy minority of Albanians in Montenegrin who know their votes will mean something. Now the likes of those in Kosovo will think they have a legitimate claim to Serbian land. The economic argument put forward by pro-independence candidates is farcical. Any chance of Montenegrin getting into the EU is about as likely as Serbia's. Perhaps give it another 15 or so years, but until then this tiny country is going suffer without the economies of scale provided by Serbia. I just wonder if Serbia will turn its back on Montenegro. That would be disappointing, but i guess they would have bought it on themselves

Exactly.

Milo Đukanović is a criminal and he wants his private state, now when he's got it, he can be sure that he won't be hunted for those criminal things he's done.

His talk about Montenegro's chances to get into the EU is rather useless.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf The referendum was yet another victory for the invading Muslims. The world conspired to defeat Greater Serbia, but instead there will be a Greater Albania, comprised of Albania proper, Kosovo, Macedonia, and now Montenegro. I guarantee you that number will grow much higher soon.

These are my thoughts exactly and I can't believe no one has seen this before. Yes, The albanians will take away Kosovo and this has clearly been long awaited for them, I felt that Serbia had lost Kosovo a long time ago.

Macedonia will most likely be a part of the greater Albania, the thing is that the albanians are very many over there.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Heh, I somehow have a feeling Serbia will ultimately end up the size of Monaco one day.

Kosovo will break themselves away from Serbia soon, and this isn't something that's very new to us. Montenegro is now a independent country as you can see, and what people fear in Serbia right now is that the other parts will be taken away from us. Vojvodina is a very nice part and the heart of Serbia, It'll most likely be taken away because there's so many other ethnic groups over there like Slovaks, Romanians, or for an example Hungarians.

I certainly hope Serbia keeps this together, so they won't be a even smaller country.

Well, to be honest, I really don't see why loosing Kosovo would be such a bad thing for you guys. I mean, they're already almost 100% albanian, and there's nothing you can really do about it. If you keep them they're sooner or later just gonna start spreading into your other regions. Besides, it's the most ass-backwards part of the former Yugoslavia anyways and is just taking up resources. As for their population boom, well, nobody forbade you to breed there too.

As for montenegran students, I think they're gonna be able to get the citizenship of both countries. At least that's what you could do when the previous Yugoslavia split up.

And I don't think Vojvodina will want to go away, but I wouldn't be surprised if they'll start demanding greater autonomy. They did have a local autonomy in the previous Yugoslavia anyways.

And yeah, Djukanovic is a mafia type. But I think EU perspective for Montenegro is better if they split up because of all the open questions about the war criminals and the Hague tribunal that Serbia has.

Anyway, what's gonna happen with your soccer team now, you still gonna go together?

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf The referendum was yet another victory for the invading Muslims. The world conspired to defeat Greater Serbia, but instead there will be a Greater Albania, comprised of Albania proper, Kosovo, Macedonia, and now Montenegro.

I know there are alot of talks about a Great Albania. Which in theory is good, but it will not work. If you would know the history of Albanians ( which I know because I am from there) you will see that our country has suffered alot, and it is still suffering. Having said that, I do not want Kosovo or Macedonia to be apart of Albania, just because they are just as fucked up as we are.

So if we get united, it will be a huge mess. Not to mention that Macedonian Albanians and those of Kosovo are really religious, where the Albanians from Albania arent at all. Yes its true that 70% of Albania is muslim..but i doubt its 70 perfect. Its lower then that, and those who are, arent such big believers.

So if I was the leader of Albania, I wouldnt want a united Albania. We have so much problems within ourselfs..that being united with all Albanians is that last thing we need. We are very different from each other, and I dont know if thats such a good idea as well.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, to be honest, I really don't see why loosing Kosovo would be such a bad thing for you guys. I mean, they're already almost 100% albanian, and there's nothing you can really do about it. If you keep them they're sooner or later just gonna start spreading into your other regions. Besides, it's the most ass-backwards part of the former Yugoslavia anyways and is just taking up resources. As for their population boom, well, nobody forbade you to breed there too. As for montenegran students, I think they're gonna be able to get the citizenship of both countries. At least that's what you could do when the previous Yugoslavia split up. And I don't think Vojvodina will want to go away, but I wouldn't be surprised if they'll start demanding greater autonomy. They did have a local autonomy in the previous Yugoslavia anyways. And yeah, Djukanovic is a mafia type. But I think EU perspective for Montenegro is better if they split up because of all the open questions about the war criminals and the Hague tribunal that Serbia has. Anyway, what's gonna happen with your soccer team now, you still gonna go together?

Kosovo has been ours for a pretty long time now, and even though we don't want the albos to take away that part, they're still going to make it anyways.

I certainly hope Vojvodina stays as it is right now, It's time to move on for once and this time without Montenegro which I don't see as any lose at all.


The soccer teams is going to play the World Cup in Germany this summer and they've got full support from everyone. Dejan Savicevic, former player of Yugoslavia is going to be Montenegro's head of their FA and they're willing to seek membership in UEFA and FIFA. They've got a goal to qualify for the World Cup 2010 in South Africa which is most likely a dream for them, but they've still got nice players out there so Serbia will have to rebuild once again, Unfortunately.


But for this tournament, we're all playing together as a team. Something we didn't do in the Basketball European Championships in 2005 where players started fighting and so on. The only thing we'll lose is the Waterpolo team, they're mainly from Montenegro and they're going to start their own team most likely.

That's about it

yeah like anybody watches Waterpolo anyways

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Originally posted by Kapedan yeah like anybody watches Waterpolo anyways

It's a big thing down there