even if the law stated 16%, the rate in effect is 15%.

On the 1st of july when that rate will be "lowered" to 15.5% everyone will get about a 2-3$/weekly less.

thats a tax hike, it doesn't matter how its labelled.

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true to form, the CPC supporters can't answer the claims made in this report with any defense other than prefacing their retorts with something like "but the Liberals..."

lol...typical.

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Originally posted by MarkT true to form, the CPC supporters can't answer the claims made in this report with any defense other than prefacing their retorts with something like "but the Liberals..." lol...typical.

So don't stoop to that level... (you are doing the same thing!)

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict So to sum up.. The liberals implement a 15% income tax rate

What do you mean by "implement?" They didn't change the Act. Where does the former Minister get off thinking that he can make decrees without Parliament's approval? So much for Responsible Government.

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So the conservatives are in actuality lowering taxes for the lowest-income-group. However, they failed to do so to the extent that the liberals had proposed. Still, the conservatives fashion themselves as the "tax reduction party" in order to gain support from low-income constituencies. My understanding is that they're lowering tax rates for all tax brackets except the highest one. Everyone pays the lowest tax rate on their first $30,754 of income, not just the "lowest-income-group." One thing you're forgetting is the net effect of the new government's budget. Taken together, the other measures in the new budget (new tax credits, GST reduction, other tax breaks, etc.) may reduce one's taxes far more than the Liberal plan. [COLOR=orange] It's one thing to to compare the liberals and conservative on legislation,

I agree that it's completly legitimate to compare the two plans, but that's not what the article you posted does.

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it's another thing to slander a party based on generalizations.

Wasn't that your intent on starting this thread in the first place (as opposed to talking about the policies themselves)?

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(You're doing pretty well with the facts,

That's more than I can say about the author of the article you posted (which omitted key pieces of information). If there were any doubt that the media are biased...

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and creating an argument around them, but when you say things like "promises made by desparate polititians" & "lieberals" you just looks un-intelligent)

Goodale's proposal was a last-minute desperate attempt to increase votes during the election. Shame on him for wasting $20 million taxpayer dollars sending out revised forms during the election campaign (using the CRA as a political tool of the Liberal Party).

The tax "reduction" was nothing more than a political trap for the CPC - to put them in a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" situation if they won the election. If they lost the election, then the plan to gain votes would have worked for the Liberals. The policy was not well thought-out as part of a comprehensive plan, it was purely tactical.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf What do you mean by "implement?" They didn't change the Act. Where does the former Minister get off thinking that he can make decrees without Parliament's approval? So much for Responsible Government.

In their proposed 2005 budget the liberals proposed a 15%income-tax rate for low-income earners. This was implemented when the current conservative government implemented the former Finance Minister's budget for taxes paid in 2006 (on 2005 income). I paid 15% tax on income earned in 2005.. sounds pretty implemented to me.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf I agree that it's completly legitimate to compare the two plans, but that's not what the article you posted does.

That article (which was very short) obviously was aimed at promoting a direct comparison between the two party budgets(liberal 2005 / conservative 2006). If you want to read the REPORT (by Dale Orr of Global Insight Canada), I'm sure it does a much better job.

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Wasn't that your intent on starting this thread in the first place (as opposed to talking about the policies themselves)?

I'm sorry... do you know me? Don't attempt to question my motives if you don't. I was simply promoting intelligent discussion on the matter. Fact is, all the conservative MPs voted for the budget, so they are all responsible for what's in it. Sorry if that looks like a generalization to you.

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That's more than I can say about the author of the article you posted (which omitted key pieces of information). If there were any doubt that the media are biased...

Like I said.. see the report (by Dale Orr of Global Insight Canada)

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Goodale's proposal was a last-minute desperate attempt to increase votes during the election. Shame on him for wasting $20 million taxpayer dollars sending out revised forms during the election campagign (using the CRA as a political tool of the Liberal Party).

Shame on YOU for being unable to make a comment without using subjective qualifiers (last-minute desparate attempt)!

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The tax "reduction" was nothing more than a political trap for the CPC - to put them in a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" situation if they won the election. If they lost the election, then the plan to gain votes would have worked for the Liberals.

Well they could have left/reduced (whichever side you are on) the tax-rate for low-income-earners @ 15%! They would have looked like they are trying to forge consensus, and they could still claim that they are "lowering taxes". Sadly, lowering taxes for Canada's poor (those who need it most) is just not in the policy playbook of the Conservative Parrty.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict So don't stoop to that level... (you are doing the same thing!)

no no, not at all...

As far as I see it, this economist is publishing a report...it's now up to the CPC to reply to it (if they will at all, given their selective attention and availability with respect to the media these days).

I find it incredibly lame (not to mention illogical) to continuously reference the previous gov't when defending the actions (or lack thereof) of the current one.

that only carries so much weight...eventually, the current gov't needs to stand on its own merits. I'm just wondering, based upon the replies in this thread and several others, how much longer the "but the Liberals..." comments will continue to be made.

You're right, the current government does need to stand (and be judged) on it's own merits.

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I am sure ShadoWolf is a law-abiding citizen and filed his 2005 tax return on time. Why don't you write a cheque to the Receiver General and return that perceived 1% difference in real dollars, thus in 2006, you will feel that you did indeed get that 0.5% income tax cut?

My head hurts from reading such inanity.

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