ive seen the media spin stories that ive been involved in personally and add slants that are leading people to an emotion that may not be genuine. Ive seen this in many events that ive witnessed first hand only to get the media version later on.

The media is not a Prime Minister's friend. ESPECIALLY a conservative one in canada. The only thing harper has done wrong is to actually be honest in detailing how he will deal with the media instead of others who may just do their own thing and then deny and spin it at all costs.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

If Harper is serious about accountability, he's going to have to put up with media scrutiny - it's their job. The problem that Harper has with the media isn't that it's biased - it's that the press gallery refuses to restrict itself to softball questions of zero substance, that any first year undergrad can answer. It's page 1 out of the US Press Secretary's playbook. Harper has no problem with local media because its easier for his media staff to manipulate an interview - let's face it, local media will bend over backwards and do what Harper tells them to in order to get a story out. The national press gallery is a lot harder, and a lot more cynical.

As for Jayx assertion of a liberal media bias, my extensive research on the subject doesn't bear this out at a macro level. For instance, there are individual newspapers that have a specific bias, but at the end of the day the biases cancel each other out. In Toronto, you have the left leaning Star, the centrist Globe and Mail, and two right leaning papers - the Sun and the National Post. Bias in the media only occurs when people get all of their news from a single source.

I disagree - for somebody who ran on a platform of "Accountability", avoiding the media is not exactly "Accountable". The media is our largest window into government, and by avoiding it, he is hiding.

He has done some good things since in office, but he has, in many cases turned out to be just as two-faced as the liberals, IMO.

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The prime minister does not want to hold press conferences unless his staff gets to pick which journalists ask questions.

As said before, that is just wrong. The purpose of a free press is to hold the gov't accountable. How can they do that if Harper can cherry pick the ones who ask him questions.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 The aricle says "Asked about the Post story last Friday, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Iran "is very capable of this kind of action." He added: "It boggles the mind that any regime on the face of the Earth would want to do anything that could remind people of Nazi Germany." Sounds like Harper will pick and choose which media outlets he will use to his advantage and on which topics...in this case he chose something not specifically related to Canadian policy, Canada as a whole or requires any use of his brain; any first year poly-sci student could have coughed up his response in this case.

lol.. sounds like hes picking and choosing, based on that article? First off the Post was the only paper reporting it, so no choice of outlet there, as a PM you can't really say no comment on an issue like that if asked. 2nd yes is doesn't require any use of his brain because its an obvious response that anyone with minimal knowledge on iran could give, so thats not really gonna boost his image now is it. 3rd i dont really think commenting on false storys would be an advantage to the pm of canada,

read..->Harper comments spark rebuke from Tehran

Can you actually explain how the original article shows Harper chose to give a response, specifically to this paper, and specifically this topic, all because he thought it would be to his advantage to do so? U sould like a liberal, spewing your opnion fact.

u are right about the spin though, i should have worded it properly. Either way, where are the hidden agenda "facts" the liberals were putting spin on? dont think there are any....so like i said..big diff how harper uses things to his advantage, or spins them.

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Originally posted by nacarter If Harper is serious about accountability, he's going to have to put up with media scrutiny - it's their job. The problem that Harper has with the media isn't that it's biased - it's that the press gallery refuses to restrict itself to softball questions of zero substance, that any first year undergrad can answer. It's page 1 out of the US Press Secretary's playbook. Harper has no problem with local media because its easier for his media staff to manipulate an interview - let's face it, local media will bend over backwards and do what Harper tells them to in order to get a story out. The national press gallery is a lot harder, and a lot more cynical. As for Jayx assertion of a liberal media bias, my extensive research on the subject doesn't bear this out at a macro level. For instance, there are individual newspapers that have a specific bias, but at the end of the day the biases cancel each other out. In Toronto, you have the left leaning Star, the centrist Globe and Mail, and two right leaning papers - the Sun and the National Post. Bias in the media only occurs when people get all of their news from a single source.

haha according to Jayx all media is left leaning and against Harper/conservatives... what lunacy!

To run on a platform of accountablity. Use the media to air your dirty laundry with the Liberals. Then shut the door on the media when they have power is simply hipocritical.

Yes there is bias in the media. It goes BOTH WAYS. Live with it and prove your intentions with ACTIONS.

I didnt say ALL media. But the major ones are definately biased. Just look at how many times the media has misrepresented things that you are involved in such as clubs and raves. Now apply that 1000 X more as prime minister.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

My problem isn't that the media is biased; my problem is that most, if not all, media outlets (TV, papers, etc) SAY they are unbiased.

In reality, anything that is created by a person must be biased. No matter how hard someone tries to be unbiased, I feel that it is impossible. From your own experiences, situation, and everything else, you have an opinion. Your opinion will influence not only how you read a story, but also how you investigate a story. Where do you go for your information? Who do you ask? Who do you believe? How great is your knowledge of both sides of the story? And of all the people involved and their personal situations?

Journalists are just people, and also have opinions. They can give both sides of a story, and I do think the ideal goal of neutrality is important, but let's not forget that they are human, just like the rest of us. That's where the major problem lies - the general public forgetting that the story they are hearing or reading was created by another person, and believing that just because that person is a "journalist" that it is therefore unbiased in any way.

Harper is an arrogant crybaby who needs to fucking suck it up. You don't like media scrutiny, then don't run for the office of PM

He's received PLENTY of positive media attention...in the time leading up to the elction and afterwards, particuarly with respect to the first CPC budget.

He has, and rightfully so (IMHO), received plenty of criticism for his perceived fuckups...from the Emerson and Fortier hypocrisies, to yanking an entire program "until we have a majority" (wow that's arrogant), to the debate on the softwood lumber "deal", to restricting media access to cabinet ministers, etc.

i.e. there is plenty that Harper has done that even the staunchest CPC supporter has to admit can be called into question.

Biased national media or not, Harper needs to get over himself and learn how to play nice.

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Originally posted by Wyndham Can you actually explain how the original article shows Harper chose to give a response, specifically to this paper, and specifically this topic, all because he thought it would be to his advantage to do so? U sould like a liberal, spewing your opnion fact. u are right about the spin though, i should have worded it properly. Either way, where are the hidden agenda "facts" the liberals were putting spin on? dont think there are any....so like i said..big diff how harper uses things to his advantage, or spins them.

Harper will pick and chose where he will speak (right on down to his placement during press conferences) who he will speak to and to what he will make reference to. This is not what you seem to call "liberal opinion fact" that is what the human, unbiased, unpartisan eye can see.

I really dont know what you are referring to with the "facts" are you asking me what the liberals are spinning or what can they spin...i dunno dude....

Ok and since we are talking about "spin" I will take this concept to its logical extreme, by choosing to not rely on media to both SUPPORT and DISAGREE with any public statements Harper makes, you are essentially "spinning" the entire public face of your administration. State run media, always a good step.

The liberal scandal is dull topic, new leadership, will change everything and if you think that incorrect, then please, dont argue with me, just vote.

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Originally posted by MarkT Harper is an arrogant crybaby who needs to fucking suck it up. You don't like media scrutiny, then don't run for the office of PM

booyaka.