ALL Eclers are built with the highest quality components, and are 100% MADE IN EUROPE (Spain). I can assure you that they have NOTHING in common with Behringer The have one of the lowest failure rates in the biz, and a 3-year warranty.

BTW, most modern electronics are made using SMD technology

PS--there are open-box NUO4's selling for $550 on www.music123.com !

Does the Ecler Nuo mixer have filters?

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only the NUO5 comes with onboard effects, which includes 3 filter types

Im looking to upgrade to a Nuo4, cheaper than a xone32 and with 4 channels instead of 3.

don't forget that an awesome 3 channel mixer is the rane empath...although i have only used it once...i can say that is was probably the best mixer that my hands have touched (better than ecler hak and djm-600) and the sound quality is very good...

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Originally posted by Soundwerks ALL Eclers are built with the highest quality components, and are 100% MADE IN EUROPE (Spain). I can assure you that they have NOTHING in common with Behringer The have one of the lowest failure rates in the biz, and a 3-year warranty. BTW, most modern electronics are made using SMD technology PS--there are open-box NUO4's selling for $550 on www.music123.com !

Well they do have ONE thing in common and that's the solder bath. That's my original objection, not so much to the parts themselves. i just feel it's a lesser build quality as the join strength is weaker, but as long as you don't treat it too rough, it's probably gong to be ok. And a 3 yr waranty is exceptional in modern electronic gear. It shows they really stand behind their products.

but it's probably the only way to be able to supply a quality product, to a certain market.

the money you save on the manufacturing can be spent on using higher quality components, which allow you to offer a better warranty, because you have the confidence to able to do that and not go bankrupt from having to constantly fix things for free.

plus, having someone hand solder every little component would be nuts... the price of the mixer would be totally outrageous, and then a bunch of people would complain about why didn't ecler go w/ SMD?

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Originally posted by sr126 but it's probably the only way to be able to supply a quality product, to a certain market. the money you save on the manufacturing can be spent on using higher quality components, which allow you to offer a better warranty, because you have the confidence to able to do that and not go bankrupt from having to constantly fix things for free. plus, having someone hand solder every little component would be nuts... the price of the mixer would be totally outrageous, and then a bunch of people would complain about why didn't ecler go w/ SMD?

yeah i certainly understand the lower cost of manufacture etc, but it can just be converted to higher pprofits too.
And hand soldering- that'd be robots anyway, but again the cost of the 'plant' would be higher, again pushing up the price.

Anyone who has experience with an Ecler product wouldn't doubt their build quality.

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Originally posted by skot_e yeah i certainly understand the lower cost of manufacture etc, but it can just be converted to higher pprofits too. And hand soldering- that'd be robots anyway, but again the cost of the 'plant' would be higher, again pushing up the price.

Um no, if its called "hand soldering" then it is done by humans, the only way to effectivly make modern electronics is by solder bath, from your posts that I have read, I get a feeling that you dont know what you are talking about. The solder that the components attach to is on the board, Its called pads and they have solder already on them. A robot then lays out the parts which have an adhesive on the underside, and after all the components are placed in their respective spots it then runs under a big heat gun which melts the solder. In all respects smd is a very reliable technology that does not break easily, with out it our circut boards would be twice as big because you'd technically only have one side to work with.

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Originally posted by Devil Bunny Um no, if its called "hand soldering" then it is done by humans, the only way to effectivly make modern electronics is by solder bath, from your posts that I have read, I get a feeling that you dont know what you are talking about.

small technicality, as for not knowing, i don't work in a factory, so your right I have never seen the process in action. I am relying on the input of an electronic 'engineer' (if that what he's called) who is my lecturer, and claims that the process is inferior.

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The solder that the components attach to is on the board, Its called pads and they have solder already on them. A robot then lays out the parts which have an adhesive on the underside, and after all the components are placed in their respective spots it then runs under a big heat gun which melts the solder. In all respects smd is a very reliable technology that does not break easily, with out it our circut boards would be twice as big because you'd technically only have one side to work with.

i'm not saying it's not effective, but from what your saying here the components sit on the board until the solder is melted. They do not have legs that go through to the other side which is what inreases the strength of the join. Hence leaving it suceptable to being easily broken if enough force is applied. As I have already said, if you treat it well enough you'd have no problems.
i'm not sure why you say there'd only be one side to work with. PCB's can be used on both sides, but the components are on one side in every application I have seen. Can you elaborate.