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Originally posted by LazFX MHO all religions should be treated as Myths, just like the Greek and roman gods. And right now, the most dangerous religions are Christian and Islam, these two faiths will lead this world into ruin.

One question. Who is ruling the world, in a civilized matter, and who is 500 years backwards? Just an idea.

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Originally posted by Kapedan One question. Who is ruling the world, in a civilized matter, and who is 500 years backwards? Just an idea.

unless youre going to argue that christianity is somehow at the heart of liberal democratic capitalism, your comment is ridiculous in the extreme.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the pope has a much wider audience and his opinion carries more weight, but does his opinion actually MEAN any more? i certainly dont think so.

Yes it does mean more, if the Popes' are of the opinion that the spread of AIDS in Africa should be tackled through fidelity and abstinence and not by condoms then their opinion has indirectly caused the death of millions of people.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN people dont have an innate belief in deities- it is introduced to them by their respective culture. thus nobody 'needs' religion anymore than they need a personal computer. from my perspective it is a far superior idea to lead considerate lives because its the right thing to do, rather than because the scriptures tell us to. there is no reason why people cant act in 'christian' ways without being burdened with some irrational belief system.

Burdened? Most people who believe in a Divine being do not fear him, they feel at peace, indeed "Knowing" that they are being watched over, and they will be going to a better place (Unless they broke some rules, well, then, they go to a horrible place). And Religion is in NO WAY like a PC, seeing that people don't believe so STRONGLY about PC's that they will die, and will kill for it. Shitty analogy, try again.

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um, so what youre saying is you need religion to combat religion?

No, and that cute smiley is not going to spare you from my criticism. You don't quite understand what I am trying to get to your brain. There are good followers, and there are bad followers, and the bad followers should not be lumped together with the good, and vice versa.

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there is nothing to prevent the human race from behaving in a right & just manner. we have rationality to govern our actions, we certainly dont need religious text.

Well, I guess rationality was forgotten during the tiananmen square protest. Rationality was taking a vacation when Stalin murdered millions of Ukrainians (The Holodomor). Rationality is nothing but social standards that change as time goes on, and society changes their mind (This is what the 9th amendment is about). Rationality alone, cannot be relied upon.

Religious morals, on the other hand, will always be written the same. It's just when fanatics interpret it the wrong way, that things go wrong.

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Originally posted by tathi Yes it does mean more, if the Popes' are of the opinion that the spread of AIDS in Africa should be tackled through fidelity and abstinence and not by condoms then their opinion has indirectly caused the death of millions of people.

well, i did say his opinions carried more weight but i still dont think they MEAN more, ie his opinions are his own opinions, and not a directive from some higher authority.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN unless youre going to argue that christianity is somehow at the heart of liberal democratic capitalism, your comment is ridiculous in the extreme.

Well, if we had to compare the two religions I said.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Well, I guess rationality was forgotten during the tiananmen square protest. Rationality was taking a vacation when Stalin murdered millions of Ukrainians (The Holodomor). Rationality is nothing but social standards that change as time goes on, and society changes their mind (This is what the 9th amendment is about). Rationality alone, cannot be relied upon.

as were religious morals forgotten, wouldn't you say?

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Burdened? Most people who believe in a Divine being do not fear him, they feel at peace, indeed \"Knowing\" that they are being watched over, and they will be going to a better place (Unless they broke some rules, well, then, they go to a horrible place). And Religion is in NO WAY like a PC, seeing that people don't believe so STRONGLY about PC's that they will die, and will kill for it. Shitty analogy, try again.

just coz you dont understand the analogy doesnt make it a shitty one. religion are like PCs in that they are external & introduced, and in no way a 'need'. religions came into being through irrationality and ignorance in trying to explain the nature of the world around us. id like to think we're a bit more capable than we were 4000 years ago.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers No, and that cute smiley is not going to spare you from my criticism. You don't quite understand what I am trying to get to your brain. There are good followers, and there are bad followers, and the bad followers should not be lumped together with the good, and vice versa.

in your opinion. some of us might believe theyre just different sides to the same coin. i simply do not understand a belief system that relies on faith alone. its just stupid imo. and given the enormous capacity for religion to cause ill in the world, we can certainly do without it, even if the tiny amount of good it might do *some* people is also removed.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Well, I guess rationality was forgotten during the tiananmen square protest. Rationality was taking a vacation when Stalin murdered millions of Ukrainians (The Holodomor). Rationality is nothing but social standards that change as time goes on, and society changes their mind (This is what the 9th amendment is about). Rationality alone, cannot be relied upon.

see, thats not an argument at all. im not saying rationality prevents suffering. im saying rationality is a far superior way to govern oneself & ones nation than some magical hocus pocus. its the difference between deciding what to do each day based on the weather report or on what your horoscope says.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Religious morals, on the other hand, will always be written the same. It's just when fanatics interpret it the wrong way, that things go wrong.

and lets not forget the ridiculous degrees of contradiction between and within each faith. religious morals and morals dictated by largely unknown authors centuries ago. should we be following ambiguous archaic texts? i dont think so, certainly when you can trace many bigoted statutes back to what was written in the bible.

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Originally posted by Kapedan Well, if we had to compare the two religions I said.

*sighs*

you cant compare religions in some sort of vacuum, like they dont exist in and alongside specific cultural norms & changes. to make a comment like

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Originally posted by Kapedan Who is ruling the world, in a civilized matter, and who is 500 years backwards? Just an idea.

doesnt make any sense, unless youre arguing that

a) christianity is 'ruling the world'
b) liberal democratic capitalism is a by-product of christianity

i look forward to you arguing b).

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Originally posted by Psy-T stolen from the COR:

Hahahaha, that is spot on!

I wounder if anyone actually took that to court, wouldn't it be required to have such warning texts? Seeing how similar things in the US have a lot more warnings on it...