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Originally posted by JBDreamerie i don't think so. i'm pretty hardcore with my game selection, and so i think that games make or break a system. i feel there's no point to have a console unless you know a myriad number of good games will be released. i feel you shouldn't get a console and hope for a better gaming experience, because you're putting yourself at risk of spending a lot of money for a machine that you might just end up using to play dvds.

Of course it's important to take into account whether the console has a number of good quality games, in your decision whether to purchase the console or not. My comment was directed towards your initial response of generalizing and tagging the XBOX's rep to its successor. While it might not seem like a worthwhile purchase to you now, we might see a lot of great games being released a year or two down the line. If you still hold that bias, you're definitely going to miss out.

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Originally posted by JBDreamerie as i said before, just because a console is powerful, doesn't make it the best. you bring up the playstation, and even though i agree its obsolete just because there are no more games being made for it, there are more better games on the PS than xbox. in addition these games are playable on PS2, and will be on PS3 as well. and even though certain games depend on the opinion of the gamer, i still feel there are fewer of the "everyone loves this" games on the xbox.

ob·so·lete
adj.

1. No longer in use.
2. Outmoded in design, style, or construction.

That's what your initial post was trying to state.

If your argument solely has to do with sheer amount of good games available, then hands-down Sony wins. Wait... No... I'm afraid Nintendo has that honor. With the upcoming Wii virtual console, there'll be many, MANY classics and all will be within reach. Does that instantly make it better than Microsoft who have only been in the game for less than a decade? Not at all. Both companies (Nintendo and Sony) have had their share of flops and shortages along the way but gamers never lost faith. Look at them now! Still on top of their game (arguable).

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Originally posted by JBDreamerie i feel it wasn't a wise move on microsoft's part to enter the gaming market, because they just don't know it. that results in losing time figuring out the market, fine tuning for your customers, and developing business relationships that will inevitably allow you to overtake the market (game developing companies). xbox is behind in that sense... you also have to think, microsoft really has NOTHING to do with hardware/gaming. they're a software company, that develops OS for 98% of the computer world. you kind of have to wonder, what the hell are you doing in games? what's next? furniture?! (also not mentioned the fact that microsoft was technically losing money for every xbox they sold)

Straight from Peter Moore, the XBOX was released so as to test the 'waters' of the gaming industry. As can be seen with the 360, there have been a lot of improvements (after listening to the audience) and the gaming populous is more than less impressed and happy with the results. The LIVE service itself is a monument that shows that Microsoft has the smarts and money to back it so as to reach every household in the world. You might have not heard but the XBOX sold fairly well in the US, during its few year life span. Outside the country is another story, though...

Microsoft as plenty to do with gaming. After all, they had to work their OS years ago so as to make it accessible to programmers who would later make games which Microsoft would help better with their hardware. It's a cycle that they're all too familiar with. The XBOX division was made especially for gaming and a lot of figureheads who have been in the industry for quite some time have been recruited. Look it up.

Every of the next-gen consoles will be losing money per unit sold (a first for Nintendo, actually). So it has been over the past 4 decades and so it shall be as long as the industry is around.

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Originally posted by JBDreamerie all too true if you're looking at the big picture. i was just focusing on microsoft as an individual company and the goals involved. as a capitalist though, i believe there's no bad involved with another company attempting to enter the market. competition means drive which means better products are released which means more fun for the eventual customer.

Exactly! It's all good.

You don't have to worry about Microsoft, though. I'm sure they'll find the funding to stay alive, somewhere...

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Originally posted by JBDreamerie that sounds about right. although for some consoles it has been considerably less, and some a little more. i still consider the PS2 to be still strong, even with the coming of PS3. major games are still be developed for it...proving its definitely still alive.

As 2007 will be coming to a close you'll be seeing rather few releases for the PlayStation 2.

Here's a bit of trivia for you. The Dreamcast has been brought back to life since it's 09/09/1999 release date and new games are being produced for it. How's that for zombie consoles?