I think there may be some safety concerns with having fire fighters drinking on the job. Granted they're volunteers but you figure for their own safety they'd want to be sober while running into a burning building. I know nothing about this town but surely there are enough volunteers that a system could be worked out where half can drink away their "the fishery has closed down so we need a handout" assistance cheques Monday, Wednesday, Friday while the other half stay sober until Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.... Sunday is a wild card...

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So 1 idiot gets into power and decides the fate of the whole town?

Try as I might, I can't think of a better definition for a politician.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 they want to know what the reasoning is. The impression that i got is that everything worked fine. i dont think firefighters were getting hammered on the job. Life isnt always so black and white. If the firehall served as a community meeting place and that was part of their culture that worked fine for a town of 700, whats the problem? So 1 idiot gets into power and decides the fate of the whole town? Reminds me of molson. In the 80s they used to have beer at board meetings. They let employees drink on the job. It was part of the company culture. Nothing bad EVER happened yet they banned all this activity in the 90s. Not based on ANY incident what so ever but because something MIGHT happen someday. Give me a break!

i see what you mean, but still - from my point of view, alcohol at a workplace is a no.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 they want to know what the reasoning is. The impression that i got is that everything worked fine. i dont think firefighters were getting hammered on the job. Life isnt always so black and white. If the firehall served as a community meeting place and that was part of their culture that worked fine for a town of 700, whats the problem? So 1 idiot gets into power and decides the fate of the whole town? Reminds me of molson. In the 80s they used to have beer at board meetings. They let employees drink on the job. It was part of the company culture. Nothing bad EVER happened yet they banned all this activity in the 90s. Not based on ANY incident what so ever but because something MIGHT happen someday. Give me a break!

It's called liability, and that's a part of our culture too.

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Originally posted by TO guy It's called liability, and that's a part of our culture too.

DING!

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by FunkyGroove i see what you mean, but still - from my point of view, alcohol at a workplace is a no.

but thats your point of view. And maybe in many instances thats true. But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 but thats your point of view. And maybe in many instances thats true. But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

"No drinking till you're 19" seems like a pretty blanket statement to me. What if I'm mature at 17?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 but thats your point of view. And maybe in many instances thats true. But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

right now the instance is selling alcohol at a work place - whatever that hall is for the rest of town, is a different matter

the matter of fact is that, volunteers or not, those guys are, just like security guards or policemen, the prime safety force in a town

forwarned = forarmed.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 but thats your point of view. And maybe in many instances thats true. But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

That's what laws are; uniform rules.

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Originally posted by TO guy That's what laws are; uniform rules.

exactly

under any law all individuals have equal rights and liabilities

so why just becuase it's
a. small town
b. they are volunteers and
c. it's always been that way,
should they/the dept. not obide the law?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Dude, the rule of law... all people are equal before the law. You can't make a special exemption in the law because this is a small town and people have been drinking in the fire hall for years, that's idiotic to even suggest.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

FFS, read the article before you post.

The issue has nothing to do with getting drunk on the job. As stated in the article, they banned all alcohol at this NLFD FD because they openly sold booze to the public. This has nothing to do with drinking on the job, as the article states "The other fire departments, they do have alcohol .... The alcohol is there for personal use for the firemen and, as far as I'm concerned, we should be allowed to do the same, said Stuckless."

So.. in summary (kinda sad to have to summarize 1 minute worth of reading) the fire department sold booze to the public despite repeated orders to stop such activity. They did not comply. Now there is no booze allowed at all.

This is not a debate about whether or not there should be booze allowed in fire departments, rather it's just a story of a fire department that tried to act like a bar, and got caught and reprimanded.

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