quote:

Originally posted by VERTiG0 I'm going to get a top fuel alcohol fueled monster and run it up and down Yonge St. looking for Honda drivers.

I get Shotgun!

___________________
"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

quote:

Originally posted by Jayx1 you condone the state arbitrarly seizing private property and then destroying it on public display? Whats next? Demolishing perfectly good houses because they were used for grow ops? Whats this country coming to?

It is no longer private property when it is used to commit a criminal offence. The idiots decided to race out of a racetrack which is ILLEGAL, so they lose their car. If they weren't racing, they wouldn't be having any problems in the first place. I think you are exagerating this a little.

quote:

Originally posted by Moral Hazard Wait.... encouraging the building/development of sfe racing facilities.... wouldn't that be government intervention? How could you suggest such a thing? FYI, there are a lot of old race tracks around that closed following the death of drag racing in the 70s. If there was a profit in it I'm sure people would open them back up. Is that not the better way (from your perspective). Honestly, why should the government be expected to subsidise these people's hobby?

im not asking for subsidization. Im asking for the government to make sure that these facilities can be built. In other words, find places to build these and make sure that the noise whiners dont get in the way. No tax payer money, just assurances that it can be done.

And also a lot of why the race tracks were closed was because people starting whining about the noise.

___________________

quote:

Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

^^^ I think (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that insurance (liability) and astronomical construction costs are probably a *huge* obstacles into building more tracks.

again...a lot of street racing has *nothing* to do with a lack of available tracks. Half the thrill is just running someone on the road.

these guys killing people (and themselves) aren't the same guys who put on a helmet and head to a track somewhere.

it's people with too much money and too little driving skill (not to mention no common sense). Some idiot totalled his Corvette the other day on the 427...I bet he's *never* taken the car to a track or actually learned how to PROPERLY harness the power at his disposal and even gain a basic grasp of the physics behind handling, braking, etc.

quote:

Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ I think (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that insurance (liability) and astronomical construction costs are probably a *huge* obstacles into building more tracks.

I can assure you that liability insurance would be either impossible to get or very expensive. Which brings us back to profit. If it were profitable the private sector would do it, the reason they haven't is likely because it is not profitable (and insurance would be a large part of the expenses). This leads me to another question for Jay, what good are assurances that facilities could/would be built of no one has the motivation to build them? Moreover, are they necessary? I highly doubt there is any existing legislation that forbids the building of such facilities save for zoning regulations which is a municiple issue.

___________________

quote:

Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

quote:

Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Considering that Cayuga is barely an hour away, Mosport about the same, and a number of small stock car tracks in the region, there is no shortage of legal places to race. For these guys who are out on the streets, at least part of the thrill is the lawbreaking aspect. If you flout the law and get caught - NO SYMPATHY - I don't care if you put $20 000 into your car.

I can understand why the government didn't write this bill into the existing traffic acts. Tough sanctions for street racing run the risk of jacking up the penalties for plain everyday speeding. In this case, it's better off as separate legislation, so that it can be targetted at the right people, and not placed in the hands of an ornery cop who's pissed because he didn't make the monthly quota of traffic tickets.

quote:

Originally posted by nacarter I can understand why the government didn't write this bill into the existing traffic acts. Tough sanctions for street racing run the risk of jacking up the penalties for plain everyday speeding. In this case, it's better off as separate legislation, so that it can be targetted at the right people, and not placed in the hands of an ornery cop who's pissed because he didn't make the monthly quota of traffic tickets.

It will a part of the Criminal Code, not a stand alone Street Racing Act.

quote:

Originally posted by Fir3start3r I get Shotgun!

Sweet! I'll take back seat behind the driver

Lest we forget that Cameron Frye announced the end of the age of cars in 1990

___________________
Светопресавление
your pearl casting hero

quote:

Originally posted by nacarter Considering that Cayuga is barely an hour away, Mosport about the same, and a number of small stock car tracks in the region, there is no shortage of legal places to race. .

The current law is just fine. This is nothing but a waste of time. its HARDLY an issue...33 deaths in the last 6 years from "supposedly" street racing...yet they want to put this on par with drinking and driving. what a joke. It wont even stop the "issue".

Whats needed is better driver training and education! Im so sick and tired of the media hype around this crap. fucking lame.


oh noes, you have a 140 whp civic... you were driving a 120 next to another car doing 120...rAcInG!!!1!11o1ne!!! you now have a criminal record.

___________________
Trance in my pants

Last edited by Euphorica on Jun-15-2006 at 23:30

quote:

Originally posted by nacarter I can understand why the government didn't write this bill into the existing traffic acts. Tough sanctions for street racing run the risk of jacking up the penalties for plain everyday speeding. In this case, it's better off as separate legislation, so that it can be targetted at the right people...

and who are the right people? some kids in "tuner" cars? gimme a break. If you think that you obviously dont drive much nor have you seen the news lately. A vette crashed on the 427 the other night... a few weeks ago in sauga 2 high end cars(Porsche and Merc) were racing, one crashed. Those 2 kids in their rents Mercs etc. The ones who crash are typically kids in their rents vehicles OR everyone else in whatever car. It doesnt matter what you drive. All these video clips the news plays of people doing organized racing have had no deaths in this province(and most likely the country ever).
Its the impromtu light to light runs that sometimes involve a crash.

and those encounters happens EVERYDAY , ALLDAY, by EVERY kind of driver.

You are more at risk to get in an accident while on the phone or get hit by someone on the phone then some street race. Its just because it can develop some good hype and make "good " news that this is getting attention like it is. Completel bs

___________________
Trance in my pants

quote:

Originally posted by Moral Hazard This leads me to another question for Jay, what good are assurances that facilities could/would be built of no one has the motivation to build them? Moreover, are they necessary? I highly doubt there is any existing legislation that forbids the building of such facilities save for zoning regulations which is a municiple issue.

you know howmany times people have tried to go through with building a drag strp in and around the city... many times. The money is there! Its other shit like zoning, noise , insurance etc that has put a hault to it... Why take money away from the police? they need to make their quota.


oh, and Id like to say...

If you think Street racing (how they portray on the news)is some super problem(epidemic)
YOU ARE A MORON

___________________
Trance in my pants

Last edited by Euphorica on Jun-15-2006 at 23:34