Here is some obvious proof that kids really do like to reenact what they see from their video games.

(The first one is pretty awesome actually).

Anyway, I don't care if people wanna play violent games, I just don't think little impressionable children should be exposed to that.

While the first movie was clearly based off a game (Both of which are awesome, by the way - the movie and game) the second one can just about stem from any fantastical book or movie, games aside. The thing is, how do you know what people are mimicking unless you climb into their head?

Games are the devil, for some reason.

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Originally posted by Yan Not sure if we're talking about the same industry here. What position other than head of hardware developing companies (the giants, specifically) gets an extremely comfortable salary?

Well today i would guess no one, with 50 or more people on the design team i find it suprising that at the end of the month theres enough money left for everyone. But i think i read in an interwiev with chris roberts once that he bought his first ferrari with the money he earned from the first wing commander game he made.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Well today i would guess no one, with 50 or more people on the design team i find it suprising that at the end of the month theres enough money left for everyone. But i think i read in an interwiev with chris roberts once that he bought his first ferrari with the money he earned from the first wing commander game he made.

Ohhh. You meant way back when. I catch your drift.

Back then, when personnel was production costs were low, there was a very nice profit. BUT... as you so skillfully put it, it's hard to imagine how everyone is getting a manageable salary with all that's going on in this 10+ billion dollar, yearly, growing industry.

When I have kids, they will be forced to play educational and religious video games, and all the channels on TV will be locked except for EWTN.

I think what it all boils down to is how the parents handle the situation. Most parents are quick to say, "No, not in my house! I'm going to complain to my Congressman now!" I think that most kids (I say most, because there are always some kids who shouldn't be included) can be allowed to play such video games with parental guidance.

The parents need to step up and take responsibility for how their children react. They're the ones who should be teaching their kids that no, what you're playing isn't right, etc.

Kids will always continue to play these video games. Back when Goldeneye was all the rage, I was about nine. My parents hated the game, and I was not allowed to play it. What did I do? I went and played it at my friend's house where he was allowed to play it. Why? For one, the game was just fun. However I think the main reason I constantly did it was because I knew I wasn't supposed to be doing it. As a child, when you hear that something you want is being restricted, you only want it more. When my parents found out, they weren't happy. However once I showed them the game, showed them that you could turn off the blood and change the settings to make it more appropriate, they let us play it and consistently monitored us to make sure it didn't affect our behavior.

In short, blame the parents, not the video game makers. The fact that parents are so lazy as to demand legislation rather than take parental action is disgusting. I'll let my kids play video games. I'll teach them that violence is bad. The second I see an increase in violent behavior, I'll take it away and ground them. It's not that difficult of a situation to fix, as long as you pay attention to your kids.

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Originally posted by idoru I think what it all boils down to is how the parents handle the situation. Most parents are quick to say, "No, not in my house! I'm going to complain to my Congressman now!" I think that most kids (I say most, because there are always some kids who shouldn't be included) can be allowed to play such video games with parental guidance. The parents need to step up and take responsibility for how their children react. They're the ones who should be teaching their kids that no, what you're playing isn't right, etc. Kids will always continue to play these video games. Back when Goldeneye was all the rage, I was about nine. My parents hated the game, and I was not allowed to play it. What did I do? I went and played it at my friend's house where he was allowed to play it. Why? For one, the game was just fun. However I think the main reason I constantly did it was because I knew I wasn't supposed to be doing it. As a child, when you hear that something you want is being restricted, you only want it more. When my parents found out, they weren't happy. However once I showed them the game, showed them that you could turn off the blood and change the settings to make it more appropriate, they let us play it and consistently monitored us to make sure it didn't affect our behavior. In short, blame the parents, not the video game makers. The fact that parents are so lazy as to demand legislation rather than take parental action is disgusting. I'll let my kids play video games. I'll teach them that violence is bad. The second I see an increase in violent behavior, I'll take it away and ground them. It's not that difficult of a situation to fix, as long as you pay attention to your kids.

Very insightful. I really have little to add to what you said there since I hold these opinions myself.

The only thing that I'd like to emphasize is that sometimes it's even out of the parents hands (such as with the situation with your friend). Some parents will never find out about their kids' doings simply because. Debateable whether it's the parents faults for not being able to be in-tune with their children, really.


By the way, my kids will be playing the classics for the first 10 years of their lives.

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Originally posted by Yan Very insightful. I really have little to add to what you said there since I hold these opinions myself. The only thing that I'd like to emphasize is that sometimes it's even out of the parents hands (such as with the situation with your friend). Some parents will never find out about their kids' doings simply because. Debateable whether it's the parents faults for not being able to be in-tune with their children, really. By the way, my kids will be playing the classics for the first 10 years of their lives.

Oh definitely. Unfortunately not all parents are like that.

mint post Jake

Anyone wonder why there is a huge advertising business in the world? People are always influenced by what they see/play. The original studies were done by bandura with kids, its amazing how influenced they were. He went on to create 'soap operas' that change the behavior of people around the world. its incredibly influential.


the difference between that and video games is that i think video games loose a lot of the reality that tv shows and advertisement. so I am not sure if the 'problem' is at the level that congress is making it out to be. but ya still have to be careful, cause people still can be influenced.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 He went on to create 'soap operas' that change the behavior of people around the world. its incredibly influential.

Intriguing. Got any reading material on that?

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Originally posted by Boomer187 the difference between that and video games is that i think video games loose a lot of the reality that tv shows and advertisement. so I am not sure if the 'problem' is at the level that congress is making it out to be. but ya still have to be careful, cause people still can be influenced.

This goes back to my original long post which states that photorealism has government officials running their uninformed minds (most of them - a minute amount of them are actually quite avid gamers). With the increase of technology, games become boundless and suddenly characters are starting to look very much human. Games like GTA place you in a world environment which mimics some of America's big cities but put more emphasis on having a law-breaking career/persona in order to complete the game. Impressionable people (mostly children) won't get anything productive out of games like GTA. Not good.

You are right, Boomer. Congress is going a little crazy with this thing.

Geeze Politicans are out of touch!

Civ IV? That genre jumped the shark when they released Alpha Centauri in 99

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