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It's like saying the New York Yankess *ARE* baseball. That the DJ is a reaplacement for your appreciation of music.

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i love the music, and buy singles from producers over dj albums.
i dont worship and stare at the dj, but i can appreciate that some deserve to be where they are.So why cant i not like a dj(especially if he showcases and supports some lesser know producers i like)but shit on the music.

sure the fanboy/girl thing is shit, but they still havent ruined it for some of us.
i call shennanigans on ishkur
you are the reason us kebekers want to seperate from canada

a dj who can create a memorable night with spot on programming and good mixing has become a rarity but some still exist.

the montreal canadiens are hockey...vancouver who

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak i love the music, and buy singles from producers over dj albums. i dont worship and stare at the dj, but i can appreciate that some deserve to be where they are.So why cant i not like a dj(especially if he showcases and supports some lesser know producers i like)but shit on the music. sure the fanboy/girl thing is shit, but they still havent ruined it for some of us. i call shennanigans on ishkur you are the reason us kebekers want to seperate from canada a dj who can create a memorable night with spot on programming and good mixing has become a rarity but some still exist. the montreal canadiens are hockey...vancouver who

Because if you love the music (or love the producers, same thing), then it really doesn't matter who the DJ is because the tracks are what matter, and the emphasis is on minimal interference, input, or creativity on the DJ's part. He's just there to play music--stitch together the throwaway bars at the beginning and end of songs--and nothing else. In fact, many people here who've professed a love for the music at the same time have expressed disconcertment when a DJ doesn't play the entire song before mixing into the next one....or, god forbid, if he does something different to the music at a club, even minute things like play it at a different pitch or with variable levels.

Conversely, if you love the DJ, then it doesn't matter what he plays, it's his craftmanship that you've come to see, and at this point the only DJs you should really want to go see purely for their competence and creativity are the DMC guys.



Somewhere along the line, this understanding got twisted somehow. People stopped dancing, and started watching. They stopped participating, and started spectating....

i grasp a bit better what you are trying to get at and dont disagree with most of what you said.Sure its mostly about tracks, but there are dj's that add some flair to tracks.(no not the effects box, but with working 3 + decks/cdj's,creative acapellas...ect ect)Why not hear your fav track with some twists you might not hear ever again exactly the same?An added depth, an unexpected drop....bla bla bla.

A dancefloor doesnt care about technicalities.IMO its similar to someone who wants to enjoy 7 course dining experience..To truly appreciate everything, you have to eat things in the proper order so your palate can properly experience the well planned out meal.Ie:Its not what you drop, but when you drop it...certain tracks will get no response if it doesnt flow properly and seems out of place.Play the same track to the same crowd at the right time and you get magic.The dj still controls these aspects of any event, and lets face it the vast majority of dj's today do not accomplish this on a regualr enough basis.(ie one good night, five bad ones...yet the great set stands out for good and the bad ones get forgotten quicker fanboy 101 )

If those dj's who can accomplish all this on a regular basis for an extended amount of time(years not months )deserve the recognition and even sometimes adoration.Sure this opens up the debate of which dj is popular because of the noob factor, but im fucking fed up of typing

im no fanboy, but any dj that can keep me on the floor for 12 plus hours and have me afraid of going to piss because i'll miss something deserves respect.Even winamp cant do that without repeating

as far as deck skills go see preach ishkur...he is in vancouver

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Originally posted by Ishkur Apparently you don't, since you completely miss the point of what I'm talking about each and every time......it seems I need to repeat myself because slow people like you have trouble grasping such concepts. Like, for instance, this. There's no hypocrisy here. Loving the DJ and loving the music is like Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle (ie: you can observe the particle's position or you can observe the particle's velocity. You can't observe both). There are moments for appreciating the DJ's worth and value. And there are moments for enjoying the music, but not the DJ. I love Z-trip for his skillset, his technique, and his "everything but the kitchen sink" approach to songcraft. But I don't worship the music he spins. Quite frankly, he plays a lot of really cheesy, leftfield pop tunes which I respect for having the brass ones to play them, but I don't ever enjoy them external from his set (I'm talking stuff like zydeco, country/western and polka). The problem specifically with trance music--although it is a problem in other scenes but not to any alarming extent that trance music has taken it--is that you've got these lines crossed, so that the DJ *IS* the music. Which is beyond audacious, it's absolutely insulting. It's like saying the New York Yankess *ARE* baseball. That the DJ is a reaplacement for your appreciation of music. Love the DJ. Love the music. Pick one.

I'm not disagreeing with any of that, but stop being out of context. This is supposed to be a "list your favourite dj right now" thread, not a "name the dj of which you have more posters, signed records and exclusive panties". Listing a favourite dj doesn't mean we worship him. It was just completely idiotic for you to drop the same old speech over here this time, everybody has already readen it.

And I'm not completely sure of what my fav dj right now is. Probably Sven Vath, but i wasn't very impressed by the last set i heard of him.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Because if you love the music (or love the producers, same thing), then it really doesn't matter who the DJ is because the tracks are what matter, and the emphasis is on minimal interference, input, or creativity on the DJ's part. He's just there to play music--stitch together the throwaway bars at the beginning and end of songs--and nothing else. In fact, many people here who've professed a love for the music at the same time have expressed disconcertment when a DJ doesn't play the entire song before mixing into the next one....or, god forbid, if he does something different to the music at a club, even minute things like play it at a different pitch or with variable levels. Conversely, if you love the DJ, then it doesn't matter what he plays, it's his craftmanship that you've come to see, and at this point the only DJs you should really want to go see purely for their competence and creativity are the DMC guys. Somewhere along the line, this understanding got twisted somehow. People stopped dancing, and started watching. They stopped participating, and started spectating....

This is beyond humanity. When PvD spins a Marc van Linden tune and I go crazy hearing it on a party, how can I fully realize that I´m loving it right now just because MvL spend some time making the track? And if I could realize this at that very moment, should I stop dancing, just because PvD spins it or what? Of course, the dj stands there, who else should take the credit during his gig? Saying the opposite completely destroys the whole idea of djing.

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Preach is based in the czech republic now you lucky bastard
Has nothing to do with this topic,but if i look like a fanboy it will make it easier to shit on my views I love you ishkur

double post

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak Preach is based in the czech republic now you lucky bastard Has nothing to do with this topic,but if i look like a fanboy it will make it easier to shit on my views I love you ishkur

Yup! I was so surprised to see that! Though he played here like 2-3 times so far so we don´t have any special profit from that

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