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Originally posted by Jayx1 But why since June 1? Why is there such a direct correlation? Do you really think its a coincidence?

Don't forget you are also tempted to look for that drop. You may have never noticed the drop in years past, even though I am certain it occurred when students return home and people start to travel. This year, you have a reason to try and notice it...the smoking ban.

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Originally posted by alefort Don't forget you are also tempted to look for that drop. You may have never noticed the drop in years past, even though I am certain it occurred when students return home and people start to travel. This year, you have a reason to try and notice it...the smoking ban.

Exactly.

Jay, your logic on this confuses me. You say "if you don't smoke, then don't go to these places", but it's different when it is "if you smoke, then don't go to these places, or go outside and have your cigarette and then come back in."

This is a much more fair alternative to the problem. Smokers at least can enjoy the environment, and wah wah they have to go outside to have their cigarette. The other way around, you are banning a group of people to come in at all, or pretty much saying "if you want to enjoy these things, suck it up and breathe in the toxic emissions from smokers."

I seriously don't see how you truly believe that it is more fair to allow smokers in enclosed places.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 HUH??? June 2003 maybe!! shouldnt that be bringing more people out?? Used to offer a lot more before the government stepped in with all its silly rules. Smoking just being one of them.

http://fx.sauder.ubc.ca/trends.php?pair=CADUSD&type=tr

Look @ the graph (and its projections)

where does june 06 sit? HIGHEST SPIKE ON THE CHART! nearly .10 higher than 1 year earlier.

As for the WC and more people coming out. You wouldnt see them on the streets. Games are 7am and 11am your time. Which means that most places arent open. And those that are will be the ethnic places where their respective community will gather, and @ that time sales will be slow. mostly coffee.

And please tell me what Tourism in Toronto is? I still dont see it. Ontario has muskoka and cottage country, Toronto proper has dick that Americans can't find @ home.

Oh wait, the CN tower. lolz.

And what has the government removed from toronto tourism? You say smoking, but if you think a smoking venue is a reason to travel somewhere, then your view on travel is seriously fucked. Tho I guess people do travel to Amsterdam for the pot and hookers, but those are illegal everywhere in other countries, not just in public spaces.

I just dont buy that the downturn you say exists and buisness owners claim exist is because of a anti smoking bylaw. By your reasoning, Calgary should be booming with tourism now because were ass backwards and allow smoking ONLY indoors where minors can not be present and not on patios.

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Even if there is a downturn in traffic due to the smoking ban, it is short term. For some reason smoking advocates seem to think that because smokers can't light up at the club that they're going to stay home for the rest of their lives with a cigarette machine and .38 special in case the cops show up.

After a month or two they'll come back.

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Originally posted by j_spot http://fx.sauder.ubc.ca/trends.php?pair=CADUSD&type=tr Look @ the graph (and its projections) where does june 06 sit? HIGHEST SPIKE ON THE CHART! nearly .10 higher than 1 year earlier.

but since june 2006 its the same. And im talking about what has happened since june 1. Even if you look at may its only a 3 cent jump. Big deal!

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As for the WC and more people coming out. You wouldnt see them on the streets. Games are 7am and 11am your time. Which means that most places arent open. And those that are will be the ethnic places where their respective community will gather, and @ that time sales will be slow. mostly coffee.

great then why arent they out at night then? If the world cup is during the day?

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And please tell me what Tourism in Toronto is? I still dont see it. Ontario has muskoka and cottage country, Toronto proper has dick that Americans can't find @ home.

yes you are right.... these days.

We used to have good theatre, festivals, raves, etc that were huge tourist draws. Im not saying smoking bans are the cause of all our tourist woes, but it certainly doesnt help. And it has certainly affected the nightlife industry in toronto. I have absolutely no doubt about that.

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And what has the government removed from toronto tourism?

festivals raves and smoking to name a few. not to mention letting the homeless problem fester.

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You say smoking, but if you think a smoking venue is a reason to travel somewhere, then your view on travel is seriously fucked. Tho I guess people do travel to Amsterdam for the pot and hookers, but those are illegal everywhere in other countries, not just in public spaces.

it just adds to the over all impression. People arent going to return somewhere that they didnt have a good time in. And why is Amsterdam such a huge draw? Because they have fewer lifestyle restriction laws than everyone else. To a lesser extent, in the 90s toronto was like that compared to the US. Americans used to come here because our laws were less strict. Sadly that has changed drastically in recent years.

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I just dont buy that the downturn you say exists and buisness owners claim exist is because of a anti smoking bylaw. By your reasoning, Calgary should be booming with tourism now because were ass backwards and allow smoking ONLY indoors where minors can not be present and not on patios.

So you make all these assertions from calgary... Thats interesting that you are such an authority on nightlife in toronto when you dont live here and i assume you dont work in nightlife.

So, let me tell you about the cow vs stetson ratio in calgary.....

LOL

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by nacarter Even if there is a downturn in traffic due to the smoking ban, it is short term. For some reason smoking advocates seem to think that because smokers can't light up at the club that they're going to stay home for the rest of their lives with a cigarette machine and .38 special in case the cops show up. After a month or two they'll come back.

the downturn after the first smoking law never rebounded... and this has just made it worse.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So you make all these assertions from calgary... Thats interesting that you are such an authority on nightlife in toronto when you dont live here and i assume you dont work in nightlife.

I moved back to calgary 4 months ago from toronto.
I did work in nightlife before, but dont anymore.

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so you havnt been in a toronto nightclub for at least 4 months or more, right?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill